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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Male Choice Revi (1)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov22.143315.19418@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1992Nov21.015024.17310@cs.yale.edu> <1992Nov21.194234.14911@rotag.mi.org> <1992Nov22.001904.27701@cs.yale.edu>
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:33:15 GMT
- Lines: 49
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- In article <1992Nov22.001904.27701@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov21.194234.14911@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov21.015024.17310@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
- >>>In article <By0uut.F7@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >>>>In article <1992Nov20.011111.3228@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
- >>>>>In article <BxzGIs.KtH@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >>>>>>In article <1e8urpINNkjl@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >>>>>>>Yah know, Will, you may believe this, but I don't. We've just seen Steve
- >>>>>>>Kellmeyer and Don Beaver come out of the closet on this issue: they don't
- >>>>>>>want women to have the right to abort. THAT's what they are after, and too
- >>>>>>>hell with the reason you mention, above.
- >>>>>>Short and sweet: Adrienne, you are a liar.
- >>>>>>No flame intended. Just fact.
- >>>>>In what way is Adrienne a liar, Don? Can you support this?
- >>>>I posted Adrienne's paragraph (above) for that reason.
- >>>>Adrienne made an explicit claim about me that is untrue.
- >>>>That's something I call a lie.
- >>>It's not what I call a lie. I'm prepared to grant that it is not descriptive
- >>>of you, but you need to show that she knew it to be untrue for it
- >>>to be a lie.
- >>Are you saying that all lies must be deliberate, Eric? You have a narrower
- >>definition than I do -- I'd count something as a non-deliberate lie if it
- >>evidenced a reckless disregard for the truth.
- >Yes, well I would suggest that we have different standards, then.
-
- If I accused you, right here and now, of raping kittens for fun, would you
- consider that a "lie", Eric? After all, I don't know that you DON'T, so you
- couldn't say I was _deliberately_ speaking an untruth.
-
- >>Even if we disregard Don's views for a moment here,
- >>it's a well-known fact that Kellmeyer doesn't support any child support
- >>reforms.
- >I agree.
- >
- >>Surely Adrienne remembers all of his alarmist crap about people
- >>wanting to "weaken" child support? Does that sound progressive? Does he sound
- >>like a reformer to you?
- >Too much of this thread is gone for me to track exactly what you're
- >referring to. What do you think Adrienne said about Kellmeyer that
- >shows a reckless disregard for truth?
-
- She said "we've just seen Steve Kellmeyer [...] come out of the closet on this
- issue", implying that he both a) supported child support reform, and b) has
- recently exposed his pro-life agenda. Truth is, he doesn't support child
- support reform, and he's never made a secret of his pro-life agenda. Adrienne
- knows this, or SHOULD know this, given all of the Kellmeyer crap that's been
- posted here. The statement illustrates "reckless disregard for truth".
-
- - Kevin
-