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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Holtsinger on Harassment & Health
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.213315.15557@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1992Nov17.154519.14631@pwcs.stpaul.gov> <1992Nov20.180206.10818@rotag.mi.org> <1992Nov20.213628.7133@pwcs.stpaul.gov>
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:33:15 GMT
- Lines: 87
-
- In article <1992Nov20.213628.7133@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >
- >>> I find it quite repugnant, Peter, that you would attempt to deflect well-
- >>> deserved flames away from Darcy. He made several tasteless, tactless and
- >>> mean-spirited posts about a t.a participant's SO's experience as a victim
- >>> of child sex abuse.
- >
- >>> "...well-deserved flames..."
- >
- >> Blatant assertion.
- >
- >In turn, a blatent assertion from someone who refuses to take responsibility
- >for his actions.
-
- And more blatant assertions in response. Is this progress, Lyman?
-
- >>> "He made several ..."
- >
- >> Incorrect. The whole flamewar stemmed from a single post.
- >
- >Incorrect yourself. You made 20-25 posts before you issued your sorry
- >excuse for an apology. And many, many after that.
-
- The whole phrase, let us recall, is
-
- "He made several tasteless, tactless and mean-spirited about a t.a
- participant's SO's experience..."
-
- I only made >>ONE<< post about the t.a participant's SO's experience, Lyman.
- Only the first one. All the rest was meta-discussion about that post.
-
- >>> "...tasteless, tactless and mean-spirited..."
- >
- >> Speculation presented as fact. My post attacked the spectacle of a
- >> child molester bragging about his exploits. I doubt that anyone would
- >> consider my behavior, placed in the context of that interpretation,
- >> as "tasteless, tactless and mean-spirited". As it happened, my
- >> interpretation was incorrect. I have apologized for that error. But
- >> error is not the same as malice, and the presence of malice in this
- >> instance is purely a matter of speculation on Mr. Lyman's part.
- >
- >Need I remind you, Darcy, that when Ms. Garvin's SO invited you to experience
- >what he had experienced as a child, you replied, "No thank you, you are not
- >to my taste," or words to that effect. That covers 'tasteless,' 'tactless,'
- >and 'mean-spirited' pretty well, although there are many other examples.
-
- Given that person's extreme overreaction to my mistake, I thought it was
- rather restrained. I could have said much worse. And I will note, AGAIN, that
- the particular exchange to which you refer, was conducted in alt.flame. The
- standards are different there.
-
- >And
- >what was really pathetic, Kebbin, is the way you dragged out the controversy
- >for weeks trying to convince readers that it really wasn't your fault.
-
- I didn't "drag out the controversy", Lyman. Those who insisted on dredging
- articles out of alt.flame, demanding apologies, spouting bucketloads of
- odorsome righteous indignation -- those are the people who "dragged out the
- controversy". I suggest you address the "problem" with them. I only responded
- to stray lies and undeserved smears I saw in talk.abortion.
-
- >>> "...about a t.a participant's SO's experience..."
- >
- >> Misleading. My article was posted exclusively to alt.flame, where it
- >> was completely appropriate. The term "t.a participant" seems to
- >> insinuate that I inflicted the flames on talk.abortion, when in fact
- >> the parties guilty of _that_ particular offense have never owned up
- >> or apologized for their actions.
- >
- >Misleading yourself, Kebbin. Are you saying that Susan Garvin is not a
- >t.a participant?
-
- Straw man. I never said such a thing.
-
- >Here's a bone for you, Kebbin. The wise old saying goes:
- >"Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity."
- >Either you allowed a tiny, malicious animus loose on someone you openly
- >dislike, or you are the most monumentally stupid creature ever to move
- >about on two legs. Which is it, Kebbin?
-
- I made a mistake. I apologized. What else do you want? What is your agenda
- here, except to recycle old flame wars, and hurt even more lurking victims of
- child sexual abuse?
-
- - Kevin
-