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- From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
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- Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade is not unrestricted abortion-on-demand
- Keywords: Holtsinger lies
- Message-ID: <By3Cr3.BwG.2@cs.cmu.edu>
- Date: 22 Nov 92 00:16:15 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov21.061148.123045@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- #In <1992Nov21.023245.24449@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) lies:
- ##In article <1992Nov21.013356.38066@watson.ibm.com>
- ##margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- ###dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) lies:
- ####margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- #####dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) lies:
- ##
- ###### Abortions can be legally performed all the way up to the
- ###### point of birth for virtually any reason.
- ##
- ##### This is a lie.
- ##
- #### No, it's the truth: abortions can be legally performed all the
- #### way up to the point of birth for virtually any reason.
- ##
- ### Not in the 30 or so states which have restrictions against it.
- ##
- ##The states can't enforce a law which is unconstitutional under
- ##Roe v. Wade, because it would be challenged if the state attempted
- ##to prosecute a doctor for performing a post-viability abortion:
- #
- #Note that the Pennsylvania Abortion Control Act of 1989 has a number of
- #third-trimester restrictions. Some sections of the act were found to be
- #unconstitutional (in PP V. Casey), but of course the third trimester
- #restrictions weren't even challenged.
-
- Note further that the trimester system was effectively abolished
- by PP v. Casey, so all of Holtsinger's lies about Roe are not
- really worth arguing about any longer. He hasn't yet noticed
- that first trimester abortions are not available "on demand"
- in many states as of right now, and that the Supreme Court has
- upheld these restrictions. Oh, well. The religious right is
- known for its bigotry and hatred, not its intelligence.
-
- Susan
-