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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Subject: Re: Male Choice Revi (1)
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- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:22:54 GMT
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- In article <1ej28kINNi66@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >In article <BxzHMB.LvI@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >>In article <1ebu7hINNchd@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >>>regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >>>
- >>>>In article <1992Nov17.180422.14301@sei.cmu.edu> firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
- >>>>>In article <1eb9ucINNjb0@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >>>
- >>>>>>People lie. We all know this. We *all* know this. Therefore, relying
- >>>>>>upon the word of another person is AUTOMATICALLY stupid. That's where
- >>>>>>the whole growth of the legal industry sprang from.
- >>>>>>Now, if you want to be a disingenuous idiot, go ahead.
- >>>>>
- >>>>>Life is full of hard choices, isn't it? But, you know, if the choice
- >>>>>really was that hard, then yes, I'd rather be a disingenuous idiot,
- >>>>>than live my life in the manner implied by the above posting.
- >>>
- >>>What is so hard about donning a condom to protect yourself?
- >>
- >>Perhaps here's the problem: in the last couple of posts I've seen,
- >>only the women seem to believe that condoms are highly reliable.
- >>That's an interesting comment in itself.
-
- >don, you are having a hard time getting you own reasoning straight.
-
- Well, one of us is.
-
-
- >IF the woman WANTs a child enough to entrap a man, she isn't about to use
- >a birth control method, is she? She isn't about to be thinking that condoms
- >are 100% reliable, is she? No. THAT woman will support completely his
- >choice NOT to use a condom.
-
- And if he does choose to use a condom? Does he now have any legal
- recourse to avoiding the economic, emotional, and legal burdens of
- fatherhood, if the condom fails?
-
-
- >IF the woman DOESN'T want to become pregnant, she very well may use her own
- >method of birth control -- and will probably tell him so, if he were curious
- >enough to ask. And he may trust her birth control to be 'enough', or he
- >may ACTUALLY engage the gray matter between his ears and figure that ADDITIONAL
- >birth control is in his best interests, TOO!
-
- Your misandry is showing, Adrienne. "Curious enough to ask"? "ACTUALLY"?
-
- The point is that a man *must* face the 50-50 chance (per decade of sex)
- of forced fatherhood, if he relies upon the word of another person.
-
- The alternative is abstinence.
-
- You haven't suggested any other alternatives.
-
-
- signed, another disingenuous idiot,
-
- Don
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