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- From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
- Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
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- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:37:33 GMT
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- eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
-
- >adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
- >@Elizabeth Cornelia Green <eg1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
- >@>You think abortions should be used as a source of birthcontrol if
- >@>necessary?!? And that the practice of abstinence is a ridiculous
- >@>solution?!?!! Wow you're confused.
- >@Hmm...I wonder who is confused...
- >@
- >@>Abstinence is the only good method of birth control. It's obviously the
- >@>only 100% certain method.
- >@Wrong. Abstinence does not protect one from rape.
- >I can see that. But the majority of abortions performed in this country
- >are not a result of violent crime (i.e., rape, incest) nor as a
- >consequence of saving the life of the mother during childbirth.
- No argument.
-
- >I can handle this exception, but it should be shown that the woman was
- >raped or required an abortion as a bona fide surgical procedure. In
- >addition, the rapist should be given the stiffest penalties under the
- >law.
- I agree with you on the penalties for rape...
-
- >A child is a gift that is conceived in love and committment to one
- >another. You basically get children from the sexual act. If the act was
- >not made under the auspices of love and mutual consent, then abortion
- >should remain an option.
- Pardon me, but gift from where? If you bring God into the picture, you're
- arguing something that may very well be irrelevent to the woman.
-
- What if the women does not consent to impregnation???
-
- >@>And making sure that the child that results from your actions is cared
- >@>for is an obvious responsibility. I strongly believe that killing that
- >@>child through an abortion is not facing your responsibilities.
- >@Bringing a child into the world is not always the responsible thing to do.
- >Neither is it responsible to have sex just because you want to make the
- >other person scream your name, or to try on some new sexual position
- >that you or your partner is interested in, or to show how much you love
- >your significant other.
-
- Who appointed you to the position of deciding what sex is for? Among other
- things, it *is* for pleasure, and love, and of course procreation. But
- just where do you get off telling me when or why I can have sex?? Hmm?
-
- >@>Sure, sex may be fun, but be prepared to deal with all that it entails
- >@>No Sex is Safe Sex.
- >@Abortion *is* a way of dealing with it.
- >How does abortion deal with sex?
- It is a way of responsibly dealing with the results of sex when the woman
- finds herself pregnant and does not want to be. Abortion is a respnsible
- option...
-
- >@>Everybody knows that there isn't any condom that guarantees no pregnancy
- >@>will result. And they don't prevent the horrible diseases that can
- >@>result from sex, either.
- >@But they do help. They give a level of protection. One asseses the risks
- >@and weighs the options.
- >And one of the risks is the possibility of pregnancy. But when do most
- >people consider abortion? Before having sex (hey, baby, we don't need to
- >worry. If you get pregnant, you could get an abortion)? Usually it's
- >after a pregnancy test comes in positive.
-
- No kidding...but again, until the test comes back positive, why would she
- be considering an abortion except in purely hypothetical cases? She
- wouldn't. The point being is that if she doesn't want to be pregnant you
- shouldn't force her to be.
-
- -Steve
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