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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: To everyone: Re: The Silent Holocaust
- Organization: AT&T
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- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:36:00 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.013600.18703@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- References: <Nov.20.16.34.26.1992.28700@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
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- In article <Nov.20.16.34.26.1992.28700@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, hauk@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Keira E. Hauk) writes:
- > Not one of you told me when life begins. I don't see your proof...You
- > told me the legalities of when life begins, but that's just a piece of paper.
- > How do you explain when a woman is having an abortion that results in the
- > live birth of that baby? I am not being offensive now... I would just like
- > to know.
-
- Define what you mean when you say "life." Egg and sperm are alive.
- That life does not end when they unite to forma blastocyst, it
- simply changes form. I can tell you when life ends, but you'll
- have to define your terms before I can offer a definition of when
- life begins. That is why you were offered legal definitions.
- They at least are defined.
-
- > And I'd like to clear up the "choice" controversy. If you have read
- > anything about birth control, which I'm sure you all have since you seem to
- > be so musch more informed than I, then you know that the only form of birth
- > control that is 100% effective is abstinence. Therefore, when a woman OR A MAN
- > decides to have sex, they are at risk for a pregnancy. (Not to mention STD'S)
- > Am I punishing women for having sex? Hell, No! Everything has consequences.
- > When you were a teenager you snuck out late at night, but you knew that if you
- > were caught that you'd be grounded for a week, (or whatever). And you were
- > prepared to face those consequences for just the sheer pleasure of sneaking
- > out. But women and men think that they can have sex when ever they want and
- > not have to face the consequences of their actions! I am not punishing them
- > for their acts, but I am holding them responsible.
-
- I note that you claim not to be talking about pregnancy as punishment,
- but the example you reach for is a punishment (getting grounded for
- a week is a punishment - punishments and consequences are not
- mutually exclusive). Orgasm is a consequence of sex. I have never
- known it to be a punishment. I find your example to indicate that
- you do see consequences and punishment as equivalent.
-
- As for responsibility, I hold abortion to be a responsible decision.
- I don't think you're talking about responsibility. I think you're
- talking about obligation. Assuming that, why is a woman obligated,
- in your view, to take a pregnancy to term if she willingly engaged
- in sexual intercourse?
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
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