home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Xref: sparky talk.abortion:48923 soc.men:19701 soc.women:20064 alt.politics.bush:13983 talk.politics.misc:61163 alt.activism:19059
- Path: sparky!uunet!gossip.pyramid.com!pyramid!infmx!hartman
- From: hartman@informix.com (Robert Hartman)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,soc.men,soc.women,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
- Subject: Re: Doug Holtsinger's dishonest tactics re: Roe v Wade.
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.011919.6793@informix.com>
- Date: 21 Nov 92 01:19:19 GMT
- References: <32997@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>
- Sender: news@informix.com (Usenet News)
- Followup-To: talk.abortion
- Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
- Lines: 38
-
- In article <32997@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias) writes:
- >[name omitted], a well-known liar in talk.abortion, has an agenda of
- >passing legislation to force all women to carry all pregnancies to
- >term. As part of this agenda he tirelessly repeats lies,
- >misrepresentations, and misquotes about anyone or anything that deigns
- >to allow women to control their own bodies. Part of this pattern is
- >represented in his latest thread on R v W and his tactics for
- >disseminating it. He posts his lies to:
- >
- >talk.abortion,soc.men,soc.women,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
- >
- >But then sets the follow-ups only to Talk.abortion. In Talk.abortion,
- >there are knowledgable people who have demonstrated that [name omitted]
- >has lied, misrepresented, and misquoted in his characterizations of R
- >v W.
-
- You know, I read those arguments that RvW in combination with other
- rulings allows untrammelled access to abortion whenever a doctor
- agrees to do it. And you know what? I figured that if that's the
- case then it really is a matter between a woman and her doctor.
-
- I have no objection to people vigorously opposing abortion, so long as
- they put their money where their mouth is. But I believe that only those
- who have already adopted a child that would have otherwise been aborted
- can claim any moral standing when arguing against it. Anyone else,
- especially men, who argue against it without ever having faced the
- prospect of an unwanted pregnancy, simply cannot understand the issue.
-
- So, if you're dead-set against abortion, that's fine with me. You can
- demonstrate your moral superiority and your compassion by rescuing the
- child of an unwanted pregnancy from life as an unwanted child. You can
- provide for one such child. If you do that, I'll listen to you. If
- you aren't willing to do that, why should I listen to you? You'll only
- be propagating the lies of a bunch of celibate old men who require that
- the world remain as miserable as possible to maintain a growing "mass"
- market for their "comforting" services.
-
- -r
-