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- From: johnston@fys.ruu.nl (Helen Johnston)
- Subject: Re: Biological Reasons fo
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.210034.25011@fys.ruu.nl>
- Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
- References: <BxuK2B.32F@ddsw1.mcs.com> <1ebjs2INNmmn@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> <1992Nov20.191141.11640@rotag.mi.org>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:00:34 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov20.191141.11640@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >
- >#1 is incorrect. Under the Common Law, an illegitimate child was considered
- >"nobody's child", and had no rights to inheritance or support.
- >
- While the lack of right to inheritance was pretty generally true
- (though not always; witness Elizabeth I of England getting to the
- throne despite having been officially bastardized by Act of
- Parliament!), the second is certainly not true. Paternal support of
- children born out of wedlock has a very long history. Quoting from J.R.
- Gillis, ``For better, For worse: British marriages, 1600 to the
- present'':
-
- ``... Often men entered into agreements to maintain their children in
- the manner that Evan Jones did in 1778. He agreed to pay Elizabeth
- Williams of Ceiriog four shillings each week until she was delivered and
- then five shillings a month thereafter. If the child lived, then he
- would pay three pounds and ten shillings each subsequent year...
- Cardiganshire officials operated in a similar manner, the men paying the
- women through them.'' [p. 128]
-
- ``Much later another Welshman remembered the customary way of dealing
- with a man who did not own up to his duties:
- A few neighbours came together, took the child from the young
- girl and took it down to the reputed father to bring up ---
- and to show they meant business they had brought their guns
- with them. If he did not want to bring up the child himself
- --- and that was usually the case --- the girl could make a
- better bargain for taking it back than she could otherwise
- have done.'' [p. 131]
-
- It was not until 1834 with the passage of the New Poor Law that
- ``...Unwed mothers were stripped of their right to outrelief, even that
- provided by the putative father under an affiliation order from the
- magistrates... In order to obtain ordinary assistance, she now had no
- choice but the workhouse, a provision which was introduced with
- deterrence in mind... [I]n the north, there was a sense that things had
- been better in `grandfather's days':
- If a young man went a-courting a damsel meek and mild
- And if she from misfortune should hap to have a child
- By going to a magistrate, a recompense to seek,
- They'd make the man marry her, or pay a crown a week.
-
- But now by the New Poor Law he nothing has to pay
- Nor would he, even if he got twenty children every day.''
- [pp. 139-140]
-
- I believe the book "A Midwife's Tale" by someone whose name escapes me,
- about a woman who was a midwife in New England around the time of the
- American Revolution, also has several examples of child support being
- given in America, but I don't have the book with me to check.
- --
- Helen Johnston | Astronomye is an harde thynge and yvel forto knowe.
- johnston@fys.ruu.nl | -- William Langland, Piers the Plowman
-