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- From: jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb)
- Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:45:46 GMT
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- In <1ehm2iINNid0@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
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- >Rape is *not* sexually motivated.
- >Rape is motivated by violence and intimidation. That's why
- >little children and old women get raped.
-
- >I suggest that the difference between rape and other forms of
- >assault is largely an arbitrary one.
-
- There was a recent case in which a dentist was arrested for rape who
- had sexual relations with women whom he had anaesthetized in the
- course of treating them. Most of them didn't even know it had
- happened. There have also been recent discussions of college men
- doing things like getting women drunk and having sexual relations with
- them while they were not sober enough to consent.
-
- The "violence and intimidation" in such acts is not obvious to me
- unless "violence" means something different from what it usually means
- when we talk of crimes of violence. Should such acts be treated as
- rape and their perpetrators punished more severely than (say) a
- dentist or a college student who takes an unconscious woman's
- temperature with an oral fever thermometer without her consent, and
- without any justification relating to medical treatment, but only
- because of idle curiosity? It seems to me they should, but I'm not
- sure you would agree.
-
- In addition -- it's impossible for a man to carry out a rape if he is
- not sexually excited. Literature and other materials designed to be
- sexually stimulating often include rape scenes, or so I am told. De
- Sade, who I have read and who specifically states that he wants what
- he writes to be sexually stimulating, is loaded with rapes of the most
- unbelievably aggravated sort. So I find the insistence that rape has
- no sexual motivation odd.
-
- Why is this point so important to people? What is at stake? What bad
- things will happen if it is accepted that rape includes an essential
- sexual element?
- --
- Jim Kalb (jk@panix.com)
- "Alles Erworbne bedroht die Maschine, solange
- sie sich erdreistet, im Geist, statt im Gehorchen, zu sein." (Rilke)
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