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- From: jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb)
- Subject: Re: Quote from ME
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.172138.1825@panix.com>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:21:38 GMT
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- In <sj39g68@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) writes:
-
- >Why do you equate "good/bad" with "moral/immoral"? I see no
- >connection (other than that "moral" can sometimes be a subset of
- >"good").
-
- I see no distinction. I would define "moral/immoral" conduct as
- conduct that is "good/bad" or promotes "good/bad" things.
-
- >To give an example of laws utterly unconnected with any concept
- >of "morality": the state might decide that traffic laws are
- >"good" because they promote order & reduce accident rates,
- >without making any "moral" judgments about driving through
- >intersections without stopping. This is one of Adrienne
- >Regard's favorite examples, I think.
-
- It's interesting that you should give that example right after the
- Catholic church promulgated a catechism that says drunken driving is a
- sin. (Not that I view either of us as bound by what the Catholic
- church does.)
-
- I don't really understand the example. Order is generally a good
- thing and pain and suffering are bad, so the laws are passed.
- Complying with the laws is normally the moral thing to do because
- conduct that promotes disorder, pain and suffering is immoral conduct
- and also because normally it is immoral simply to disregard legitimate
- laws. It's true that the word "moral" might not come up during
- deliberations on the law, but that doesn't show that morality and what
- the state is doing are irrelevant to each other.
-
- Maybe you are thinking of the distinction between _mala prohibita_
- (things that become bad only by being prohibited) and _mala in se_
- (things that are bad without reference to any positive law prohibiting
- them). For example, neither driving on the right nor driving on the
- left are _mala in se_. But once England decides by law that people
- should drive on the left it becomes immoral to drive on the right
- because given the established rule of driving on the left would cause
- unreasonable risks to people.
- --
- Jim Kalb (jk@panix.com)
- "Alles Erworbne bedroht die Maschine, solange
- sie sich erdreistet, im Geist, statt im Gehorchen, zu sein." (Rilke)
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