home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Path: sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!cs.widener.edu!eff!news.oc.com!lgc.com!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!alberta!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!access.usask.ca!mizar.cc.umanitoba.ca!ciit85.ciit.nrc.ca!brandonu.ca!mcbeanb
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: ATUI: Moderate Positions, and Why They are Unreliable
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.131600.2799@brandonu.ca>
- From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
- Date: 19 Nov 92 13:15:59 CST
- References: <1992Nov7.231047.2735@brandonu.ca> <BxqBGD.JM7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
- Lines: 62
-
- parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:
- > mcbeanb@brandonu.ca writes:
- >> The first case is that of Sumner's. Sumner believes that if a
- >>being has sentience, or the capacity to suffer or enjoy experiences,
- >>then that being has significant moral standing. He belives abortion
- >>becomes immoral only after the fetus has gained sentience (cited
- >>in Feinberg, 1984). This allows for moral contraception, but abortions
- >>performed at late terms are deemed immoral. The main problem with this
- >>argument is we cannot tell when a fetus gains sentience. There is no
- >>medical test, nor is there a definite stage in development that we know
- >>all fetuses gain sentience, so this is not a reasonable method to
- >>follow.
- >
- > It has been posted that medical science is fairly convinced that it can *not*
- > be sentient until at least the 24th week. That sounds like a pretty good
- > argument for a "moderate" position that you do not try to refute at all.
-
- The paper was double the suggested length, I didn't think there was reason
- enough to lengthen it further.
-
- > I assert that as long as it is isolated from the "real world" in the womb that
- > it can *not* be sentient.
-
- I assert that you may be wrong.
-
- >> There is some merit to it in that it would be a nearly
- >>guiltless task to terminate an organsim which did not perceive
- >>joy, or fear pain, but that doesn't mean it would be morally correct
- >>to do so.
- >
- > Your opinion.
-
- No. Look at the situation: Abortion is an issue, and its morality is
- in question. Debator A says abortion is guiltless before sentience
- is developed. How does guiltlessness imply a correct moral action?
-
- >I consider it to be perfectly moral, if done with the consent
- > of those people who might have a reasonable interest in the creature.
-
- Your opinion.
- [...]
- > I agree, this is a lousy argument, yet many pro-lifers support their position
- > on the grounds that a fetus "looks like a baby".
- [...]
- I assume you missed my rantings about Chaney's sonogram schtick.
-
- > I grant the "looks" argument no more moral weight when used to call abortion
- > "immoral" than I do as a reason to have an abortion. But then, my position
- > is not moderate, and you *were* dealing with moderates in here. I am merely
- > taking your argument and applying what I feel is correct about it in order to
- > show that the "pro-life" position is full of hot air.
-
- Perhaps the pro-life position is full of hot air, but I was discussing my
- position.
-
- >>NEXT POST: Abortion and the Law
- >
- > You mean there's more? *sigh*
-
- I made it quite easy to killfile.
-
- Brian McBean - McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
-