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- From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Quote from ME
- Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:30:07 GMT
- Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
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- In article <1992Nov17.222451.6926@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> smccabe@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Sarah A McCabe) writes:
- >In article <1ebg8lINN3rh@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
- >>In article <satdn4g@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com writes:
- >>[...]
- >>>When a woman obtains an abortion, she affects her own body.
- >>>Nobody else's body is involved. (Hint: if you think otherwise,
- >>>you have to prove your case.)
- >>
- >>The second statement is incorrect. And it is trivially easy to prove that
- >>someone else's body is involved during some abortions, just as it is
- >>trivially easy to show that another person's body is involved in your rape
- >>example (hint: no need to submit a rigorous topological proof in either
- >>case).
- >
- >No, Frank, CJ's statement was correct. Just because your definition of person
- >includes fetuses and you wish that ours would too, we are not incorrect
- >when we use the standard legal definition. Your personal definition of
- >the term can include anything you like and you are free and welcome to
- >try and convince us to accept your definition, but your wishing it
- >does not make it so.
-
- Firstly, I'm not tying to convince you to _accept_ my definition - I just
- want to you to accept it as _reasonable_. If you would then catch on to the
- fact that it is as reasonable as _your_ belief, that would be startling
- progress.
-
- Secondly, there _isn't_ any "the legal" definition of personhood - that's
- just some sand thrown around in abortion debates. Born or naturalised? Nope
- - that's an American citizen you've got there, there are more kinds of people
- than that.
-
- >For example, you may think of your pet dog as a member
- >of the family and you may firmly believe that it has a soul and as much worth
- >as any human person, however, it is still not legally a person and I am not
- >wrong for refering to it as a non-person.
-
- If the American state naturalises my pet dog (it's done stranger things) will
- you _then_ call it a person? How far are you prepared to take this
- fictional legal definition of yours?
-
- >Sarah McCabe
-
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