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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Subject: Re: Biological Reasons fo
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:51:05 GMT
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- In article <1ebjs2INNmmn@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >In article <BxuK2B.32F@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
- >>In article <1e9108INNlmu@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
-
- >What a woman has is the right to define how her physical
- >body will or will not be used.
- >
- >Which is precisely analogous and symetrical to a man's right to determine how
- >his physical body will or will not be used.
-
- Either his body is used 40 hours a week to earn money or
- it is used 168 hours a week to pace a 10x10 room.
-
- Unlike a woman, a man has no choice how his body will or will not
- be used, once conception occurs.
-
- The fact that a woman who *chooses* to give birth faces the
- same responsibilities (in theory) is irrelevant: she makes the choice,
- and more than a few "feminists" and "pro-choicers" refer to her
- presumed ability to make a "responsible decision."
-
- "Responsibility" usually refers to her judgement of her maturity,
- her economic status, her desire to parent, as well as the health risks.
-
-
- >However, the minute to transmute a woman's right to PHYSICAL soveriegnty
- >into some kind of social obligation, you get a dandy, but useless, argument
- >for male-choice. Because you are basing your argument on air.
-
- What about a man's physical right to decide not to participate
- in parenting?
-
- Biology requires no man to "stay" after conception. It requires
- a woman to "stay" until birth or abortion.
-
- To put it in your language, just because women don't have the
- PHYSICAL ability to leave after conception is no reason to restrict
- men's ability to leave BEFORE A CHILD EXISTS, now, is it?
-
-
- >>It most certainly IS about male choice. It is about reproductive freedom
- >>for BOTH sexes.
- >
- >Which is *not* what the abortion argument is based upon, now, is it, Karl?
-
- You're right: the abortion argument is about reproductive freedom for *women*.
-
-
- >Now, I fancy myself to be a semi reasonable person.
-
- >Adrienne Regard
-
- Don
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