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- From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Keira E. Hauk, not so silent holocaust for logic!
- Message-ID: <32947@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 21:40:18 GMT
- References: <Nov.19.11.14.25.1992.12839@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
- Organization: NYU Stern School of Business
- Lines: 77
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- In article <Nov.19.11.14.25.1992.12839@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
- hauk@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Keira E. Hauk) writes:
-
- >I just galnced through this group for the first time, and I sense a lot of
- >hostility...You can all beat me down however you want, but it is nothing
- >compared to the silent holocaust going on every day in this country.
-
- Which silent holocaust is that? The 17% of Americans living in
- poverty? The more than 25% of American children living in poverty?
- Please be more clear.
-
- > For all those out there who have had an abortion or are considering it: YOU
- >MADE THAT CHOICE BEFORE YOU GOT PREGNANT!
-
- Are you suggesting that women need to make a choice about abortion
- before knowing they are pregnant? This seems silly. Why not just
- choose after you become pregnant and base the choice on the actual
- circumstances of *that* pregnancy.
-
- > Ok, excluding that small percentage
- >of rape victims who get pregnant. But for the majority, don't tell me about
- >your freedoms of choice. You made that choice the moment you had sexual
- >intercourse.
-
- Warning, warning: Illogic alert: Consensual sex == Consensual pregnancy???
-
- > What CHOICES did that baby have?
-
- What baby are you talking about?
-
- >And how can you tell me when
- >life begins?
-
- Life on this planet began billions of years ago. What's your point?
-
- > Can you prove to me that life doen't begin until birth? Can you
- >define life?
-
- Who said life does not begin until birth? The fact that a /z/e/f/ is
- alive is irrelevant to my position on abortion. The right to choose
- abortion is based on the belief that the mother's right to make
- private choices about how her body will be used outweights the right
- of a /z/e/f/ to occupy her body and draw sustenance from it. No child
- is allowed to use its parent's body against their will. Why should a
- /z/e/f/ be given this special right?
-
- >What about the man. He's not always the one to push for the abortion.
- >Doesn't he have his choices also? Or do you also want the right to
- >control his sperm?
-
- Who said men always favor abortion? The man also has choices: Let's
- talk about the one most analogous to a woman's right to choose. A
- father can refuse to donate blood, tissue, or organs to support the
- life of his child. What does sperm have to do with abortion? I
- believe it is a /z/e/f/ that is removed not sperm.
-
- > These are just few of my many thoughts...
-
- I guess you had to get them out before they caused a malfunction.
-
- >And I must note that I
- >wouldn't be able to voice these thoughts if my birthmother had opted
- >to have an abortion instead of giving me up for doption in Bogota,
- >Columbia!
-
- Your from Colombia and you can't even spell it? None of us would be
- here if our mothers had aborted us. We also wouldn't be here if our
- mothers had decided to sleep alone on a particular night. What's your
- point?
-
- >Also, I am a woman, if that makes any difference to you.
-
- I didn't know men had a such corner on foolishness that it was
- necessary to declare your gender.
-
- SJM
-
-