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- From: jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb)
- Subject: Re: Jim, the chastity belt theory, and me, Part 5
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.153013.14588@panix.com>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:30:13 GMT
- References: <1992Nov17.064218.17638@panix.com> <32781@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> <1992Nov17.221107.23870@panix.com> <32842@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>
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- In <32842@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Nov17.221107.23870@panix.com> jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb)
- >writes in response to me:
-
- >>If the drunk driver were the only possible source of those things, the
- >>victim would certainly die if the donation weren't made, and the
- >>burden to the drunk driver would b commensurate with the burden to a
- >>woman of carrying a pregnancy to term, would you say it would be in
- >>principle unjust to force him to make the donation? If so, why?
-
- >We're not talking in principle here, Jim, we're talking about the use
- >of scarce state resources to protect the rights of citizens. I don't
- >think enforcing a policy based on this `principle' would represent a
- >good use of state resources. Forced pregnancy laws also differ in an
- >important way, they would only punish one class of `drunk drivers'
- >with the bodily consequences you prescribe. Hence they would be
- >unfair because they would punish based on gender rather than behavior.
-
- If the issue is conservation of scarce state resources, then there are
- grounds for distinguishing between the drunk driver situation and the
- abortion situation in that the drunk driver situation as I described
- it almost never happens, so it wouldn't be worth while to set up
- procedures to determine in an emergency situation whether the
- conditions that would justify forced organ donation exist.
-
- In contrast, in the case of a pregnancy the corresponding conditions
- always exist except in the rare cases of rape (I suppose including
- incest) and serious threat to the life of the mother.
-
- I should add that since there is a neutral principle (conservation of
- scarce state resources) that explains the difference in treatment
- between drunk drivers and pregnant women your claim that the
- difference is a case of gender discrimination has no obvious support.
- --
- Jim Kalb (jk@panix.com)
- "Alles Erworbne bedroht die Maschine, solange
- sie sich erdreistet, im Geist, statt im Gehorchen, zu sein." (Rilke)
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