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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Biological Reasons fo
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.070813.27070@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1992Nov15.171529.5616@desire.wright.edu> <BxsMAv.93I@ddsw1.mcs.com> <1e9108INNlmu@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:08:13 GMT
- Lines: 42
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- In article <1e9108INNlmu@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >In article <BxsMAv.93I@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
- >
- >>I suppose then that you won't mind if all of us men who see it as terribly
- >>unequal that women can choose AFTER sex whether or not to have a child,
- >>while we cannot, make damn sure you LOSE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
- >
- >Ah, here's another one, Will.
- >
- >This fellow isn't out to equalize the situation between parents. He's out
- >to take away a woman's bodily autonomy because he can't get a legal 'out'
- >to a biological reality.
-
- Wrong, Adrienne. He's presenting the only two EQUITABLE choices -- either
- NEITHER parent gets a choice, or they BOTH get a similar choice. He's asking
- you to choose one or the other. He is NOT telling you which one to choose.
-
- >>Support reproductive rights for all, or none. But don't be a hypocrite and
- >>try to play the "I'm a woman and its my body" game and then turn around and
- >>say that a man's choice ends when he pulls down his zipper.
- >
- >"reproductive rights for all" completely ignores the biological reality of
- >gestation, which is the only justification for abortion.
-
- The biological reality of gestation is a moot point when the woman freely
- CHOOSES to carry the child to term, Adrienne. Stop trying to obfuscate the
- issue.
-
- >>This is unequal, wrong, and has nothing to do with "privacy". It has
- >>everything to do with making men a walking wallet. It is time that this
- >>is stopped - permanently.
- >
- >Which *again* ignores the woman's financial contribution!
-
- Her VOLUNTARY financial contribution is a moot point, Adrienne. Is voluntary
- pregnancy the same as forced pregnancy? Of course not. That's the whole crux
- of the abortion issue. Is consensual sex the same as rape? No, consent makes
- the crucial difference. Then why do you constantly make the mistake of
- equating the woman's VOLUNTARY financial contribution with the man's FORCED
- financial contribution? DOES CONSENT MEAN NOTHING TO YOU?
-
- - Kevin
-