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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Use and abuse of drugs [Was:...unsubstantiated...]
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- References: <1992Nov2.195802.1194@acd4.acd.com> <1992Nov07.074234.103493@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 04:52:55 GMT
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- Since I did not initiate any talk about drug [ab]use, unsubstantiated
- or otherwise, I thought I'd move this over to another thread. Whether
- it should be moved out of talk.abortion altogether, I leave up to others.
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- In <1992Nov07.074234.103493@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
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- >In <1992Nov2.195802.1194@acd4.acd.com> wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck) writes:
- >>In <roig6q0@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@eno.esd.sgi.com
- >> (C.J. Silverio) writes: >
- >>>How does marijuana use create "social/personal difficulties"?
- >>
- >>The same way that any drug which impairs awareness and
- >>functionality.
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- >In other words, it doesn't, in normal social/recreational use?
-
- >>Do some "weekend pot smokers" have families that are hurt
- >>by their drug use?
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- >Some? Probably. Any significant number? Probably not.
-
- I don't know about that. I think that just as drunks are notorious
- for thinking they "can lick every man in the house," so pot smokers
- are famous for thinking pot makes them peaceful and benevolent. I found
- out the hard way, from having a pothead as a roommate, that it ain't
- necessarily so.
-
- >>The weekend is the only time many kids
- >>have to spend with their parents. Might be nice if those
- >>parents were unimpaired for thoses times.
-
- >Neglect is a problem whether due to use of drugs, or because the parents
- >have social engagements, or because dad likes to spend his weekends
- >on the golf course.
-
- >And why do you assume the parents are stoned all weekend? Perhaps they
- >wait until the kids are asleep before breaking out the joint. Or the
- >martini shaker. Or the whips and chains.
-
- >>Children and/or spouses aren't hurt by recreational substance
- >>use?
-
- >Generally speaking, no.
-
- >>>All your arguments for prohibition of marijuana apply with far
- >>>greater force to alcohol. Alcohol has a higher abuse potential
- >>>than marijuana, and is far more damaging to its abusers. Why
- >>>have you not called for the prohibition of alcohol? Could it
- >>>be that the social costs of alcohol prohibition are worse than
- >>>the social costs of its legalization? Why the double standard,
- >>>Overpeck?
- >>
- >>I think I've already answered this once. Alcohol is too firmly
- >>entrenched in our culture. "Calling" for its prohibition is,
- >>imo, quite futile. But there is no double standard here. I
- >>am well aware that alcohol is potentially far more dangerous
- >>than any number of illegal drugs. Since, however, it is highly
- >>unlikely to be subject to prohibition again, I think it makes
- >>sense not to offer a panacea of legal substances - the problems
- >>caused by alcohol are quite sufficient for any one culture.
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- >But perhaps if the safer drugs were more readily available, we wouldn't
- >have quite as many problems as we do when only the more dangerous drugs
- >are available.
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- >>>|I see the social/interpersonal fallout created by such problems
- >>>|(specifically, drug abuse) on a regular basis. You apparently
- >>>|do not. Perhaps someday you will have an opportunity to re-
- >>>|evaluate your position.
- >>>
- >>>What social/interpersonal fallout?
- >>
- >>Do you think it's non-existent?
-
- >I've seen it from drug *abuse*, but the topic was recreational *use*.
-
- >Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
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