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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Holtsinger on Harassment & Health
- Message-ID: <nyikos.721969112@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
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- Organization: USC Department of Computer Science
- References: <92305.074109ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <1992Nov3.071957.3801@rotag.mi.org> <lefty-031192101449@lefty.apple.com> <1992Nov4.070430.7819@rotag.mi.org> <lefty-111192095520@lefty.apple.com>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 02:58:32 GMT
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- In <lefty-111192095520@lefty.apple.com> lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Nov4.070430.7819@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin
- >Darcy) wrote:
- >>
- >> In article <lefty-031192101449@lefty.apple.com> lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:
- >> >In article <1992Nov3.071957.3801@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin
- >> >Darcy) wrote:
- >> >>
- >> >> Is this the same Linda Birmingham who couldn't help but hurl obscenity-
- >> >> laced article after obscenity-laced article over something as ridiculous
- >> >> as an admittedly-mistaken joking comment about child molestation?
- >> >
- >> >Kevin, once again, displays his complete inability to Get It.
- >> >
- >> >The only "joke" in that entire exchange, Darcy, was your incredibly sorry
- >> >excuse for an apology.
- >> >
- >> >The only "ridiculous" thing has been your subsequent behavior.
- >> >
- >> >Your comment was offensive, your puling attempts to minimize it were
- >> >disgusting, and your continued protests that it was all "just a joke" are
- >> >an insult to the intelligence of the rest of the net.
- >> >
- >> >All in all, perfectly in character for you.
- >> >
- >> >The idea, by the way, that one could even _make_ a "joking comment about
- >> >child molestation" amply demonstrates just how shriveled and appalling the
- >> >state of your soul must be. If you had the slightest shred of a sense of
- >> >decency, you would hurry down to the nearest landfill and offer yourself up
- >> >as biodegradable, albeit toxic, waste.
-
- Since you have so many insults to spare, Lefty, perhaps you could get
- Mr. Loomis to answer a couple of questions I posed to him a while back.
- Portions of the relevant post follow after my signature below. I've
- reiterated some of these questions, including in a post with "Loomis"
- in the title, to no avail.
-
- >> Sounds like your blood pressure is a tad elevated there, Lefty. Perhaps
- >> you should heed Ms. Birmingham's advice and get thee to a deserted island.
-
- >Perhaps _you_ should heed the advice of so many others on the net and
- >liberally apply 5 minute epoxy to your lips and nostrils. I promise you,
- >you'd be making better sense than you ever have to date within half an
- >hour.
-
- >I'm astounded at the complete lack of a) empathy, b) sense and c) decency
- >you consistently display. Were I to catch myself behaving as you do, I'm
- >quite confident that I would immediately immolate myself, if only to alter
- >the stench assailing my nostrils.
-
- >Try to improve yourself, Darcy. You might, against all odds, make it to
- >human in your next life.
-
- Perhaps you could spare some of your indignation for Mr. Loomis.
-
- Peter Nyikos
-
- Date: 26 Aug 92 19:26:58 GMT
- Message-ID: <nyikos.714857218@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: Item for Chaney's study of abortion--adult/child sex link.
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- References: <nyikos.714506449@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <seaQLiG00WBKM7rFZY@andrew.cmu.edu>
-
- In <seaQLiG00WBKM7rFZY@andrew.cmu.edu> Michael Loomis <ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
-
- > nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) wrote
-
- [...]
-
- >> This item, for which I am indebted to Charles Wysong, appeared
- >>in the _Jackson Herald_, September 30, 1989. It appears between the
- >>two rows of asterisks.
-
- >There followed an article about a gynocologist who was interested in
- >kiddie porn followed by these statements
-
- Gross understatement of the day. At the very least it should have been
- pointed out by Loomis that the abortionist [no mention about him
- being a gynecologist
- in the article] was charged by the police
- with coercing minors to do sex for him, along with other charges.
-
- I hereby request Mr. Loomis to
- post the entire article in alt.atheism [I hope I got the name of
- the newsgroup right.] so readers can judge for themselves how bent
- out of shape his comments about me are.
-
- >>QUOTE OF THE DAY:
- >
- >> Don't you pro-choicers just _hate_ this?
- >> --Stephen A Chaney
-
- > A proponent of sexual "responsibility" like Mr. Nyikos does
- >well to mention every sexual crime by an abortionist. Proponents of
- >"responsbile" sex already see fit to mention the sexual orientation of
- >mass murderers. It helps them avoid responisbility for how their
- >"sexual morality" actually works:
-
- I don't know where Mr. Loomis gets these ideas on my views about
- sexuality. The point of the QUOTE OF THE DAY is that not every pro-choicer
- approves of such goings-on.
-
- >From the Economist (July 18th 1992, p. 28, "Sins of the fathers"):
- >
- > "... In the past decade, Roman Catholic archdioces in nearly every
- > state have been plagued with lawsuits and ugly rumours concerning
- > priests and minors. In the mid-1980s, seven priests in Lousiana
- > were charged with sexually abusing young boys. Scandal broke out
- > again in 1990, when Father Bruce Ritter, the founder of a New York
- > shelter for runaways called Covenant House, was reported to have
- > had a history of improper sexual conduct. Mr Porter's case made
- > headlines in May, after he acknowledged molesting at least 50
- > children in the 1960s when he was a priest in Attleboro,
- > Massachusetts.
-
- I'm glad charges were finally brought. I'm not sure Mr. Loomis is.
- Mr. Loomis claimed on another talk.abortion post
- that newborn babies were not proper objects of
- ethical concern. I'm very curious to know how far up from birth
- this ethical nihilism of Loomis extends.
-
- [Other examples omitted.]
-
- >The "responsible" perspective on sex is advocated by a group of men
- >unable to live by their own standards. The tortured feelings of guilt
- >of these men are the sole reason we have a anti-abortion movement.
-
- Chaney could tell you of some pro-life gay groups. Will you ask him
- about them before you automatically assume they are tortured by guilt?
-
- Broader perspective: Mr. Loomis does not seem to think that pro-lifers
- are sincere in their desire to stop the butchery of fetuses, at least
- some time before the point of birth. Otherwise why would he make
- such sweeping statements?
-
- >I have no statitics. I doubt such have been collected, but my belief is
- >that people who commit sex crimes would tend to have views about sex
- >similar to those of the Vatican and Mr. Nyikos with the attendent guilt.
-
- I can't even guess, this time, what kinds of views Mr. Loomis is
- imputing to me here. Does he simply lump all pro-lifers, even those
- like myself who make lots of carefully delineated exceptions, into
- the same guilty bag?
-
- BTW I wonder how Mr. Loomis feels about the sex crimes committed by the
- "gynecologist" he misleadingly described above? Which of them fit the
- categories below:
-
- > We, of course, have to ignore those sex crimes which are unnatural to
- >have as crimes--that is, homosexuality, sodomy laws, and too high of age
- >of consent laws.
-
- Like the ones the priests were arrested for? Whose side are you on,
- anyway, Mr. Loomis?
-
-