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- From: Rick.Moen@f207.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Rick Moen)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: A Gender neutral pronoun
- Message-ID: <722505755.1@wyrm.rbbs-net.ORG>
- Date: 22 Nov 92 23:27:23 GMT
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- > From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
- > Message-ID: <1992Nov19.071059.6799@deeptht.armory.com>
-
- > Horseshit, Grant, we use it all the time already. "If anyone knows
- > cause why this couple should not be joined in marriage, let them speak
- > now, or forever hold their piece." And: "If one has enough money, then
- > they can buy themselves some clothes. Then they can put on their
- > clothes when they get home and surprise their spouse."
- >
- > Neither of these examples offer any problem to the conventional
- > english speaker. They fit the bill just fine.
-
- I've never heard either formulation before, and they sound illiterate
- to me. "Anyone" and "one" are clearly singular. "They", "themselves",
- "them", and "their" are clearly plural.
-
- It is incorrect (and ad hominem) to allege that people dislike making
- a hash of agreement as to number merely because of staunch grammatical
- fundamentalism and resistance to change per se. Rather, many oppose it
- on grounds of _taste and a desire for clarity_.
-
- The protestation that permitting change to the language is good merely
- begs the self-evident question of _what_ change is good. It also raises
- a second obvious question (if one grants your bandwagon rhetoric about
- _this_ change being already underway), of whether the same reasoning
- supports a movement to _change it back_, on the aforementioned grounds
- of taste and clarity.
-
- If the change _is_ enacted, (1) people who urged it will congratulate
- themselves on how progressive they are, (2) there will be widespread
- confusion between singular and plural in English-language references,
- since the meaning of they/them/their will then be rendered unclear, and
- (3) sexism will not, in unvarnished reality, have been impeded one
- whit, any more than it is by the gender-neutral pronoun in Turkish.
-
- Cheers,
- Rick M.
- moen@blyth.com
-
- * Origin: The Skeptic's Board in San Mateo - Bay Area Skeptics (8:914/207)
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