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- From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.messianic
- Subject: Re: What did Judas betray?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.060733.156@netcom.com>
- Date: 21 Nov 92 06:07:33 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.233223.19865@imagen.com> avi@seal.imagen.com writes:
-
- > My point is that "Yeshua" that was stoned is not neccesarily the one you
- > refer to as Jesus.
-
- So, how many of these Yeshuas who got stoned & hung up did so on the Eve
- of Passover? (Hint: Yeshua "ben Panthera" and "ben Stada" were both
- hanged on a tree on the eve of Passover. WHAT a coincidence!)
- >
- > Now - if this is the same man you call Jesus, I would think, that flying
- > in the air is a pretty significant miracle, at least as equally impressive
- > and probably more than "healing the sick" or "walking on water" - so how come
- > the New Testament does not mention it even in one word ?
-
- Interesting question. I don't know. But I *do* know that the "miracle of
- levitation" is attributed to Jesus twice in the _Toldoth Jeschut_, a
- book in the Rabbinical literature that beyond any doubt refers to the
- founder of Christianity. (Of course, *they* say that he accomplished
- it by the theft of the Ineffible Name from the Temple).
-
- >
- > As far as I'm concerned, it is thus NOT CREDIBLE anymore as an Historical
- > document, because - how can you tell what was revised and what was not.
-
- I agree. The best we can hope to do is to see "what was claimed when."
- >
- >1. If the passages about the crufixion were edited in - how can you be SURE that
- > the anti-Jewish passages were not ?
-
- No, it was not "edited in." Rather, the Gospels were composed AFTER the
- cross-story was first invented (c. 50-60). What the gospels said when
- they were first circulated among the churches is pretty much what they
- say now.
-
- --
-
- Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
-
- Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
-
- "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
- Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
- broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
- where it will end."
- - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
-