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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: The Efficacy of Prayer
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.001606.26994@netcom.com>
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- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:16:06 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov20.165424.13010@ncsa.uiuc.edu> jsue@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey L. Sue) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov14.183047.4239@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >>
- >>Is it also not possible that many do good despite being christian? I am
- >>not trying to label Christianity as evil, but there does not seem to be
- >>any overall correlation between being Christian, and being positive.
- >>
- >
- >Has somebody made the statement that Christian's are the *only* positive
- >force on earth?
-
- Not that I am aware of. I did not make that claim. Why did you bring this
- up? In fact, I am not really sure that Christianity -is- a positive force.
- Much good has been done, and perhaps as much evil, depending upon how
- you count these things.
-
- > I think that in order to progress or improve ourselves,
- >we always need to have our sights set on some final "visions" of where
- >we would like to be. A model. And to many, the writings in the bible
- >are their model.
-
- Or their intepretations of the Bible. But the Catholics, Methodists,
- Mormons, and Baptists all disagree on what the -true- intepratation is.
-
- >The dangers and negatives come into play when we try to use our
- >"model" (ideals/beliefs) to change someone else.
-
- The Christian and Mormon missionaries seem unconcerned. Pop quiz...
- Which well known book says "Go forth and spread the word"?
-
- > I think this kind of
- >tendency was talked about in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
- >(Heinlien?), which I read a few years ago. In this book the moon
- >became the place where earth people sent their criminals. The
- >inhabitants of the moon decided they wanted to emancipate themselves from
- >earth, and be their own society. In doing this they needed to create a
- >government and laws. I found it very intriguing how "typical" human
- >responses were demonstrated in this story. Specifically, the tendency
- >of people to try to create laws to control how others live their lives.
- >Examples of this are laws to make gambling illegal, etc..
-
- Read that -years- ago. Might be worth a re-read.
-
- >There are some very interesting insights in this book about how people
- >really do act/react. I think, in general, that someone choosing a belief
- >system to follow because it "speaks" to them is great! However they give
- >all belief systems a bad name when they use their belief system as a means
- >to rationalize control of others.
- >
- >More to the point of this discussion. I think that if you read the New
- >Testament from the standpoint of your personal life, it seems much more
- >positive. However, those who use it as a "weapon" against others tend
- >to be more vocal and drown out these positive aspects.
-
- You mean things like 'do not suffer a witch to live'?
-
- I suspect that any part of the Bible can be used in this fashion if
- interpreted -correctly-.
-
- >Jeff Sue
- > - All opinions are mine - (and you can't have any, nya nya nya)
-
-
- Rich
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- payner@netcom.com
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