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- From: zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla)
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- Subject: Re: Exercise vs Psychotherapy
- Keywords: exercise psychotherapy
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- Date: 16 Nov 92 16:16:01 GMT
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- I think you misunderstood what I was saying, Lee, because I was agreeing with
- you much more than you seem to think:
-
- >I think that to describe "getting out of the house and getting involved
- >in any kind of activity" merely as distraction is to miss the point. In
- >my experience, the word *activity* here is very important. Watching
- >television or reading a book will usually not be effective. I think it
- >has to do more with putting one's brain into a different mode.
-
- I'm using distraction here as it is used in a cognitive framework, not
- necessarily in the uninteresting way you seem to think I mean it. That is,
- you must engage your thought processes in an activity (behavioral, cognitive,
- imagery, etc.) which is sufficient to jump them out of the depressogenic
- thinking they're rutted in. As you suggest, the unifying nature of such
- "distractors" and they way they allow our mind to switch gears is a worthy
- topic of research (and one of outcome studies).
-
- >You see the choice as between depression being biochemical or -- for want
- >of a better word -- psychological. I think this is a false dichotomy,
- >and that there are many more categories than these two.
-
- No, no, no! You missed my point entirely. I was explicitly refuting
- this distinction. My undergraduate honor's thesis specifically refuted this
- distinction and proposed more viable categories!
-
- >I don't know how to discuss this more coherently, but I just want to say
- >that when we talk about the physiological aspect of emotion there's a lot
- >more involved than just neurotransmitters. And I think that when the
- >brain is called upon to organize some purposeful activity, that changes the
- >balance of the whole system.
- >
- >And of course a really high level of physical activity will result in
- >the production of endorphins, which will certainly have an effect on
- >one's mental state. The subject will feel good physically and is
- >likely to translate that good feeling by saying "I feel good about
- >myself." And a psychologist might interpret that by saying that
- >exercise increases self-esteem.
-
- This is all the stuff I was talking about when I talked about neuroendocrine
- and autonomic nervous system activity affected by exercise. Believe me,
- I hear you, because all my research forces are focused on the way that
- these systems (among others) are related to emotional and cognitive states!
-
- >Again, I believe that this is not just a matter of
- >distraction. I think logical thinking puts the brain into a different
- >mode and perhaps changes the availability of neurotransmitters.
-
- I never said this strategy was a distraction process. I described this
- skill as 1) recognizing the presence of an unpleasant emotional state
- 2) putting on your logical thinking cap tp address the distortions in
- thinking that may be maintaining and promoting the undesired mood.
- I would in no way differ with the assertion that such changes in thinking
- would produce downstream changes in the "stress" systems (and probably the
- limbic system), which might very well exert feedback effects on cortical
- centers and limbic structures (and, thus, subsequent cognition as well).
-
- This stuff IS being investigated.
-
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