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- From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes)
- Subject: Re: Pure energy (Was: Re: energy, mass, and all that)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.042541.15304@nuscc.nus.sg>
- Organization: National University of Singapore
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:25:41 GMT
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- sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
- :
- :
- : This is a good point. "Pure energy" is meaningless. Only particles
- : or collections of particles (virtual or otherwise) can have energy.
- : Perhaps you can make some sense of the notion by defining pure energy
- : to be the total energy of a bosonic field, so that the energy is not
- : carried by fermions. A bath of photons, for example, or the energy
- : stored in a static EM field (virtual photons) comes as close to my
- : notion of what "pure energy" is as anything I can think of.
-
- I think that it is useful to distinguish "mass" [a number] from "matter"
- [that stuff,you know]. The question of whether mass is conserved in a
- given situation is easy. The question as to whether MATTER is converted
- to energy in a nuclear explosion is then a separate question, depending
- to some extent on semantic questions: is nuclear binding energy a form
- of "matter"?
- Now when we turn to energy, we do not,unfortunately, have two words.
- Permit me, therefore, to Abianise and write "energy" for a number [or
- component of a 4-vector, etc] and ENERGY for that stuff out there. Then
- if you want to , you can say that photons are a kind of ENERGY, and as
- such this ENERGY can have a mass [zero in the case of one photon,
- usually non-zero for 2 photons or more] as well as an "energy".
- In practice, I suspect that you will find that ENERGY is pretty
- useless: it is easier to say "photons" or whatever. However, I do think
- that this device helps to clarify some of these arguments.
- In a related vein: there are endless arguments about whether
- gravitational waves carry "energy". Now obviously they do not carry
- ENERGY [as electromagnetic waves do], for the right hand side of the
- Einstein equation [which I am reluctant to name, but if pressed will
- call the "matter and other stuff tensor"] is zero. However, the question
- as to whether they conserve "energy" is a separate issue: it is up to us
- to find, if we can, a number which is conserved and which helps us to
- calculate interesting things. That is fine as long as we do not
- hypostatise and start imagining that gravitational fields contain
- ENERGY; if we do, then we start spouting gibberish like "gravity
- gravitates" etc etc etc:
-