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- From: matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: energy, mass, and all that
- Date: 22 Nov 92 13:17:28
- Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
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- Message-ID: <MATT.92Nov22131728@physics.berkeley.edu>
- References: <19NOV199211063691@csa1.lbl.gov> <98407@netnews.upenn.edu>
- <20NOV199207183499@csa3.lbl.gov> <98706@netnews.upenn.edu>
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- In-reply-to: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu's message of 22 Nov 92 17:51:48 GMT
-
- In article <98706@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
-
- > Why don't we *define* energy and mass before complaining about definition
- > stretching? The naive notion for energy is just the ability to do work,
- > ie, accelerate mass through a distance, and for mass it is just the
- > inertial resistance to an acceleration.
-
- This isn't a terribly good definition of mass, since force and
- acceleration aren't proportional---i.e., the acceleration an object
- undergoes is not parallel to a force that is applied to it. (I
- realize that Matthew never said that acceleration and force *are*
- parallel; I don't claim that he made any gross mistakes. My point is
- just that the relation between force and acceleration is sufficiently
- complicated that it doesn't make a very good definition.)
-
- In nonrelativistic contexts, of course, that's a fine definition;
- another fine definition of mass in a nonrelativistic context is that
- it is the gravitational "charge". (It isn't obvious that the two
- definitions give the same result; experimentally, however, it appears
- to be true.)
-
- In a relativistic context, however, I think a more useful definition
- of mass is that an object's mass is the energy of that object in its
- rest frame. In my field of physics, at least, that definition is the
- customary one.
- --
- Matthew Austern Just keep yelling until you attract a
- (510) 644-2618 crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
- austern@lbl.bitnet faction, an army! If you don't have any
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-