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- From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
- Subject: Re: Lowneheim-Skolem theorem (was: Continuos vs. discrete models)
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:04:24 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.124233.24312@oracorp.com> daryl@oracorp.com (Daryl McCullough) writes:
- >columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss) writes:
- >
- >>In short: there may be good reasons for radically changing the foundations
- >>of physics (and there may not-- pace, defenders of the status quo(ntum)!),
- >>but the Loewenheim-Skolem theorem is not one of them.
- >
- >LS doesn't demand that we adopt Paul Budnik's discretized physics, but
- >I believe it gives us permission to do so. LS shows that there can
- >never be a demonstration that space-time must be continuous, because
- >there is no property of an uncountable set that doesn't also hold of
- >some countable set.
-
- I object. Lowenheim-Skolem says there are countable models of the
- reals; you can go ahead and use these if you like, and I will not
- object, since this does not affect what *theorems* you can prove about
- the real numbers. (Theorems, those statements that follow from the
- axioms, are defined purely syntactically and are utterly independent of
- a choice of model.) So I am at a loss to think of any sense in which
- using a countable model of the real numbers makes ones physics more
- "discrete."
-