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- From: dvs@soda.berkeley.edu (Doug Simpkinson)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: TIME HAS INERTIA - ABIAN replies to SIMPKINSON
- Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:20:05 GMT
- Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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- In article <abian.722142285@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu> abian@iastate.edu (Alexander Abian) writes:
- >In <1eefkuINNa0f@agate.berkeley.edu> dvs@soda.berkeley.edu
- >>Dear Mr. Abian: Please quantify ANYTHING with your theory. Please do not
- >>use any of the "noises" of famous bravo-sierra purveyors such as Newton,
- >>Einstein, Hamilton, et al. Among the problems you may wish to address:
- >
- > My reply is:
- >
- > I cannot quantify anything with my Theory because I do not know
- >
- > what A is in my E = M(0) exp(-At)
-
- Then leave your answer in terms of A, and experiment will find A.
-
- >and accordingly revise all their outmoded 19-th century conservation
- >principle-based quantifications. Then you will tell me how to quantify
- >the items raised in your questions.
- > I supply the radically new and revolutionizing ideas - let the
- >others quantify. I have said several times:
-
- Not the way to win a Nobel Prize. First of all, your radically new ideas
- need be based on something real - i.e. strange results of an experiment,
- consequences of existing theory, OR, it must make testable QUANTIFIED
- predictions that are different from existing theory, which are born up by
- later experiment, or at least conceivable experiments. So, which is it?
-
- > REASON, EXPLAIN, CREATE and if needed QUANTIFY ! (I seldom need
- >quantification !).
-
- Is the following an acceptable proof of the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra?
-
- (NCC-1701D) Given Lemma (A1), the FTA is proven!! QED.
-
- This is exactly the sort of thing you are saying. If, as you say, you
- seldom need quantification, then you are not a physicist in the least. In
- this case, Dr. Abian, it is needed. Please do it now, or ask someone better
- at whatever it is that makes you vague and nebulous to help you. Simply
- stating proofs like my above (NCC-1701D) is useless. Remember, just as
- there are rules that apply in mathematics, there are rules in physics. The
- prime directive of physics is GET THE CORRECT ANSWER. However, equally
- important, SHOW YOUR WORK SO THAT OTHERS MAY FOLLOW. (see below)
-
- >
- > However, based om my very vague intuitive feelings, my vague and nebulous
- >approximating answers to your question:
- >
- >> Compute the trajectory of a particle of mass m in a uniform gravitational
- >>field (or the Abian equivalent) equal to earth's at sea level given an
- >>initial velocity, neglecting air resistance. Simplifying, How high will a 1
- >>kg ball go if I throw it straight up at a velocity of 20 m/s? Where will it
- >>land if I throw it (with the same velocity of 20 m/s) at a 45 degree angle
- >to the vertical?
- >
- >would be:
- > (a) around 20.41 meters high
- >
- > (b) twice as in (a), i.e., around 40.82 meters away.
-
- Wow. I am not impressed in the least. Your "vague and nebulous" answers are
- correct. They agree with Newtonian mechanics to 1 cm. But, you probably
- knew that, as that is most assuredly what you used to calculate them. If I
- were to grade this as an exam, you would get 0 points for not showing any
- work. I haven't answered anything in this manner since my 3rd grade teacher
- admonished me for doing it all in my head. Please, Dr. Abian, Show your
- work.
-
- >I may be quite off since I do not have a COSMIC ENERGYMETER.
-
- No, you are correct, however, this statement might give you minus points for
- being a smart-ass. Part of thinking up new ideas is thinking up
- theoretically possible ways to test them. Please design a COSMIC
- ENERGYMETER, it need not be practical to build, just theoretically
- possible. Please design a way to use it, subject to the same constraints.
-
- > REASON, EXPLAIN, CREATE and if needed QUANTIFY !
-
- But you create only tautologies, untestable statements, and falsehoods, and
- you reason and explain in circles. You have yet to quantify anything, and I
- assure you, if you wish to earn a Nobel Prize, or see your theory come to
- anything, it is needed.
-
-
- Regards,
- Doug Simpkinson
- douglips@ocf.berkeley.edu
- dvs@soda.berkeley.edu
-