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- From: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: energy, mass, and all that
- Date: 20 Nov 1992 07:12 PST
- Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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- References: <13NOV199209344990@csa1.lbl.gov> <Nov.16.14.05.56.1992.18657@ruhets.rutgers.edu> <1992Nov17.144029.29898@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> <1992Nov19.195724.97834@watson.ibm.com>
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- In article <1992Nov19.195724.97834@watson.ibm.com>, platt@watson.ibm.com (Daniel E. Platt) writes...
-
- >When 'mass' is destroyed, and 'energy' is created, actually, what's happening
- >is some kinds of particles are anihilated, and some are created. For instance,
- >in electron-positron anihilation, 2 photons are created; there's Feynmann
- >diagrams for the processes, and cross-sections may be computed, to yield
- >spectra, etc. There's no energy without some particular kind of particle
- >to carry the energy. However, there's different kinds of particles that
- >CAN carry the energy, and the total mass of the particles after the
- >reaction may be different than the mass before the reaction; the total
- >mass-energy (E^2 = p^2 + m^2) must be conserved (reflected in a delta-function
- >in the S-matrix). Even here, saying that the mass was 'converted' to
- >energy is a misnomer; photons were created that carry the energy in a
- >way characteristic of the photon dispersion relationship: E=pc (omega = c|k|).
-
- What about after the photon is absorbed by some material, increasing
- the kinetic energy of the material? Are we going to say that there is
- no such thing as heat energy, only mass increase of the material? I
- suppose you are free to do so, but I find this to be (a) a very big
- stretch, and (b) a useless formulation for solving most problems.
-
- Martin Watts wants to say that mass and energy are non interconvertible.
- That is, when Martin came into the world, there was so much mass and
- so much energy. From that point in time, he will say that all the
- mass that became energy is really still mass, and all the energy that
- became mass is really still energy. Isn't this unphysical? You have
- to argue so hard to demonstrate that all mass continues to be mass that
- you practically have to eliminate the possibility that energy exists in
- the Universe (As you did above.) Similarly, you have to argue so hard
- that energy never becomes mass that you practically have to eliminate
- the possibility that mass exists.
-
- -Scott
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- Scott I. Chase "It is not a simple life to be a single cell,
- SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV although I have no right to say so, having
- been a single cell so long ago myself that I
- have no memory at all of that stage of my
- life." - Lewis Thomas
-