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- From: columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: TIME HAS INERTIA. att: WEISS. The so called Low-Skol. Paradox
- Date: 20 Nov 92 09:53:02
- Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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- Message-ID: <COLUMBUS.92Nov20095302@strident.think.com>
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- In-reply-to: abian@iastate.edu's message of Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:59:26 GMT
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- This doesn't really belong on sci.physics anymore, but I think "TIME HAS
- INERTIA" has effectively become a separate newsgroup.
-
- I think we are in substantial agreement on all mathematical points. Your
- finite model does correctly illustrate the non-absoluteness of the concept
- of "countability", which is the heart of the Loewenheim-Skolem "paradox".
-
- You say:
-
- One can give explicitly tables for countable models which
- satisfy many of ZF axioms. For the entire ZF - I have proposed a
- countable model where sets are symbolized by any set-theoretical
- formula which starts with the "THERE EXISTS" symbol and which is
- derivable in ZF.
- In other words, I make a set from any formula which is derivable from
- ZF axioms and which asserts the Existence of a set , i.e, a derivable
- from ZF axioms formal formula starting with an "Existential Quantifier".
-
- This sounds a lot like the usual proof of the Loewenheim-Skolem
- theorem (or the closely related Goedel completeness theorem). There are
- a couple of important technical points you don't discuss (free variables in
- the formulas-- usually dealt with by introducing Skolem functions; and
- modding out by the equivalence relation "provably equal"), but presumably
- these lurk behind your warning of messy notations.
-