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- From: columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: TIME HAS INERTIA - LOWENHEIM-SKOLEM PARADOX UNDRESSED
- Date: 19 Nov 92 11:09:54
- Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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- Message-ID: <COLUMBUS.92Nov19110954@strident.think.com>
- References: <abian.722113906@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>
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- In-reply-to: abian@iastate.edu's message of 18 Nov 92 19:11:46 GMT
-
- In article <abian.722113906@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu> abian@iastate.edu
- (Alexander Abian) writes:
-
- Dear Messrs PRATT , BUDNIK et al,
-
- I will construct two examples of Set-Theories C and U such that
- in C the set {1,2} is countable and in U the set {1,2} is uncountable!
-
- [description of C-- a finite collection of sets-- omitted.]
-
- So, the entire set-theoretical model C has the ABOVE SETS - NOTHING
- MORE. Of course, it is not a model for ZF set-theory. However, it is a
- model for some set-theory. [...] It is a very, very, very weak
- set-theoretical model BUT IT IS A SET-THEORETICAL MODEL !
-
- Are you serious? Never mind, if this is all just a big put-on, you'd
- never admit it.
-
-
- To quote Humpty Dumpty-- who certainly reacted to provocation-- "there's
- glory for you!"
-
-
- For the record, the Loewenheim-Skolem paradox is considered a paradox
- because it says there is a model *of ZFC* which is countable. And ZFC
- contains the theorem "the power set of omega is uncountable". These two
- statements are apparently contradictory, hence the paradox.
-
- And for any readers who haven't seen this before: the contradiction is only
- apparent, and is resolved by noting that the bijection between omega and
- its power-set-within-the-countable-model is not in the model.
-