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- From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Ferromagnetism and the Clash of Cultures
- Message-ID: <Nov.17.18.40.49.1992.9245@ruhets.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 23:40:49 GMT
- References: <1992Nov16.222739.9417@galois.mit.edu>
- Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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- jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
- > ... the frustrations of trying to communicate across culture
- >gaps. You are using terminology I think I understand but in ways that
- >are completely mysterious to me. E.g., "a gap opens in the top of the
- >spectrum." I know what a spectrum is and what a gap in one is, but
- >thinking of the spectrum as a dynamical variable subject to change
- >("opens") is foreign to me (perhaps the implicit reference to time in
- >"opens" is somewhat metaphorical?).
-
- Yeah, the meaning is "in the normal case X happens, but when we include
- this effect, a gap opens in the top of the spectrum."
-
- >Also, I understand the concept of exchange energy but don't get how it
- >is less when spins are lined up for ferromagnets.
-
- It's complicated. It has something to do with the fact that the
- electrostatic repulsion favors the states where the electrons are
- more separated, and Pauli exclusion means that parallel spins are more
- separated. There are holes in that toy idea; clearly it's a subtle and
- complicated effect, since most materials are not ferromagnetic.
-
- >Sigh. I'm sure I am equally incomprehensible to most experimentalists.
-
- Hey, I'm still not sure what a symmetry group should have to do
- with the number of fermions, or anything like that, or, sorry John,
- what a holonomy is.
-
- >Or is that physicists who specialize in "fundamental" physics don't
- >always learn enough about solid state to talk about it in a
- >rough-and-ready sort of way? Maybe this has something to do with why
- >there's not much talk about solid state on sci.physics?
-
- That could have something to do with it; another speculation might be
- that it's not just solid-state; in many fields there are both
- fairly abstruse mathematics and fairly involved experimental techniques,
- and it's harder to explain how and why the experiments are so involved.
- And people don't want to hear about experimental techniques anyway.
-
- One factor for sci.physics is that much of this discussion is driven by
- people trying to explain to novices, and novices tend to ask about the
- gee-whiz stuff. Even outside the realm of crackpots, people tend to
- want to hear about the flashy, big, often highly theoretical things.
- And physics has a long-standing tradition of "theoretical macho,"
- where he who is most mathematical wins. The converse is that in such
- a forum as this, the professional physicists will ask questions
- which are out of their realms of expertise, and often that means moving
- up the theory scale, so to speak.
-
- - Ben
-