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- From: ucap22w@ucl.ac.uk (Martin S T Watts)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: TIME HAS INERTIA
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.150719.6994@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 15:07:19 GMT
- References: <1992Nov09.192052.25358@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> <9NOV199213395569@csa1.lbl.gov> <1992Nov12.201646.31516@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> <Nov.16.14.05.56.1992.18657@ruhets.rutgers.edu> <16NOV199213401674@csa3.lbl.gov>
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- sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
-
- >In article <Nov.16.14.05.56.1992.18657@ruhets.rutgers.edu>, bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner) writes...
- >>
- >>Etc. Scott, don't you imagine this whole tempest-in-a-teapot is the old
- >>confusion over "relativistic mass" versus "rest mass"? Bondi probably
- >>said that mass is conserved, meaning relativistic mass, which is just a
- >>statement of conservation of energy less a factor of c squared. Rest
- >>mass isn't conserved.
-
- >No, I think it's more than that.
-
- It's no more than that really, but it doesn't seem as if you even understand
- *that* much. Why don't you go and look up the other references, if you can't
- find the original - you might learn something.
-
- > I can't remember the details (which
- >is why I tried to find the reference that the original poster quoted),
- >but we've been through this Bondi thing sometime in the past. It may even
- >have been the same poster.
-
- No, it wasn't.
-
- > The bottom line, if I remember correctly, was
- >that Bondi didn't know his arse from his elbow, and had a complete
- >misunderstanding of SR, and mass-energy equivalence in particular.
-
- Well at least now you've admitted that you haven't the foggiest who Bondi is,
- which is something. Sir Hermann Bondi FRS is probably one of the world's
- foremost experts on cosmology and GR, to say nothing of SR. The fact that
- you think he doesn't "know his arse from his elbow" must have had many people
- laughing their socks off, or would have had if there were more serious
- scientists who read this column.
-
- >There
- >are no peer-reviewed papers on his work so far as I can tell. I think
- >that he is the European equivalent of these guys who "publish" abstracts in
- >the APS bulletins and then reference themselves from year to year. He has
- >found himself an advocate, a la McElwaine and Larson, in this guy, who,
- >so far as I can tell, understands neither conventional physics nor
- >even what Bondi has to say about it. You will notice that he has
- >so far refused to do more than tell us all to look it up. He is incapable
- >of explaining it himself.
-
- I'm incapable of explaining it half as well as Bondi, which is partly why I've
- refrained for the time being. I think I understand reasonably well what Bondi
- says in the article I originally referenced, though I wouldn't claim to be
- infallible, so I've referenced further reading that Bondi recommends which
- covers virtually the same ground. But, in any case, I'm not going to waste
- my time typing in a lengthy article for a squirt who's more interested in
- having a slanging match than learning anything.
-
- You give me *one* instance of a process where mass is not conserved, or
- energy is not conserved, or energy is converted into mass or vice versa and
- I'll duly oblige and try and explain what I think Bondi would have to say.
-
- Cheers,
- Martin Watts.
-