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- From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
- Subject: Re: Continuos vs. discrete models Was: The size of electrons, ...
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.003058.127@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- References: <350@mtnmath.UUCP> <1992Nov16.065208.28725@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1e98maINNebq@chnews.intel.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:30:58 GMT
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- In article <1e98maINNebq@chnews.intel.com> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.065208.28725@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
- >> Name a physical system in which the FDE is considered more fundamental
- >> than the PDE?
- >
- >Any finite-state machine.
-
- I actually had 'nature' in mind. I can *create* any number of systems
- that have a fundamental FDE. My research is one example where since
- most of the constitutive laws are constituted at the FDE level, the model
- is more 'fundamentally' fde than pde. My question more pointed to
- 'natural' phenomena. I do not recall finite state machines described
- by FDE's in our current description of nature.
-
- Enlighten me.
-
- >> For most of us, we take the 'true' PDE and muck it
- >> up, introducing loads of spurious conservation laws and higher
- >> order terms, by deriving a finite difference formulation of it.
- >> I'd be interested in a system in which we did the reverse.
- >
- >The load on your machine (if it is a UNIX machine) is a simple example.
- >
- >A plot of the load vs. time (cf. xload(1X)) appears to
- >decay exponentially. The actual load is discrete, and not
- >very indicative of the load, being simply a difference
- >equation, and it can be approximated by a continuous
- >exponential. Thus it seems the dual of your meta-example:
- >it is a PDE approximation of a FDE system, and the approximation
- >introduces spurious knowledge (the idea that a load "decays").
-
- Interesting analogy. However, my load doesn't decay at all. It
- seems to be a monotonically increasing sequence.
-
- > --Blair
- > "rm -rf /usr/spool/news;
- > I dare you."
-
- Apparently someone has already done this upstream several times
- this month. By the way, why waste space on one's own
- machine with all this garbage, when one can read it from someone else's
- nntp port?
-
- dale bass
-
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- C. R. Bass crb7q@virginia.edu
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- Aerospace and Nuclear Engineering
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