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- From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
- Subject: Re: Continuos vs. discrete models Was: The size of electrons, ...
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.190006.22959@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- References: <350@mtnmath.UUCP> <1992Nov16.065208.28725@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <16NOV199210360062@csa2.lbl.gov>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:00:06 GMT
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- In article <16NOV199210360062@csa2.lbl.gov> sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.065208.28725@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes...
- >>>
- >>>As one simple example consider the difference between a model based on
- >>>finite difference equations and one based on partial differential
- >>>equations.
- >>
- >> Name a physical system in which the FDE is considered more fundamental
- >> than the PDE? For most of us, we take the 'true' PDE and muck it
- >> up, introducing loads of spurious conservation laws and higher
- >> order terms, by deriving a finite difference formulation of it.
- >> I'd be interested in a system in which we did the reverse.
- >
- >How about your favorite and mine - the flexible string. Since the string
- >is really atomic at the smallest scale, the "most" appropriate equation
- >is the FDE. It is only in the approximation that the discrete nature of the
- >string is irrelevant (a damn good approximation, I admit) that the PDE
- >becomes a useful description.
-
- and ...
-
- >where it is really the finite number atomic positions which are fundamental,
- >the field being a useful characterization but not one that is intrinsic
- >to the system, which is properly a discrete system.
-
- Is the string the atoms or the interactions between the atoms?
- I'm not sure that at a basic level the description of the string
- is a proper finite difference formulation.
-
- dale bass
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