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- From: swillden@news.ccutah.edu (Shawn Willden)
- Subject: Re: Minimum standards for math "competency"
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- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 01:12:16 GMT
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- somos@ces.cwru.edu (Michael Somos) writes:
- : Is everyone else fed up with this thread too? There have always
- : been and always will be students who don't have any clue when it
- : comes to mathematics? Aren't you just quibbling over the relative
- : percentages? And finally, if the situation is really so bad, then
-
- No, I don't think we're "quibbling over the relative percentages."
- The present discussion concerns (among other things) the validity of
- an article that claims that 99% of American students would be considered
- below average in Japan (I'm ignoring the discussion about Asian American
- students vs. Asian students, which should be dropped). Those percentages
- are downright frightening if true.
-
- : why are there so many people with a lot of mathematical knowledge
- : who are underemployed or unemployed? For details look at recent
- : issues of Notices of the AMS. Something is very wrong, but it is
- : not what people are saying it is.
-
- This is a different issue entirely. We aren't talking about the
- demand for people with a lot of mathematical knowledge, we're
- talking about the requirement of an industrialized society that
- all individuals have an understanding of basic mathematical
- concepts -- something that is just not true in America today.
-
- : Also realize that there is no consensus on this. There is a wide
- : variety of opinions. If everyone agreed on what the problem was,
- : there would be rapid progress on solving it. This is absolutely
-
- I disagree that posession of a definition of the problem implies
- rapid progress toward a solution. Sometimes solutions aren't that
- easy to come by. A mathematician above all others should know
- that :).
-
- [ Other (somewhat valid) complaints about the crosspost to sci.math
- deleted. ]
-
- : --
- : Michael Somos <somos@alpha.ces.cwru.edu> (* No, I don't work for CWRU *)
-
- Now, to see if I can turn this thread in a more useful direction, here
- are some questions.
-
- 1) Do you disagree that innumeracy is a problem?
-
- Now, supposing the answer to that question is no:
-
- 2) What math do you think an "average" citizen should
- know?
- 3) What math skills should an employer be able to expect of
- a college graduate?
-
- --
- Shawn Willden
- swillden@icarus.weber.edu
-