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- From: rusin@mp.cs.niu.edu (David Rusin)
- Newsgroups: sci.math
- Subject: Re: Are teachers paid enough? (Was Re: Is Math Hard?)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.191255.8928@mp.cs.niu.edu>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 19:12:55 GMT
- References: <Bx9uy1.LB0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Nov11.195326.25846@ariel.ec.usf.edu> <hdev.721903573@dutiaj>
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- In article <hdev.721903573@dutiaj> hdev@dutiaj.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught) writes:
- >mccolm@darwin.math.usf.edu. (Gregory McColm) writes:
- >>One thing not being mentioned: American teachers have been
- >>underpayed for a VERY LONG time.
- >
- >What are the wages generally encountered at the US education system?
- >I can give you the Dutch equivalents. Over here a year salary consist of 12
- >moth salaries + 8% holiday allowance. Furthermore I will assume $1 = f1.75
- >(which is almost correct +/- one or two cents). I'm not 100% sure about the
- >salary scales of Nursery and First level education (but I believe they are
- >right).
- >
- >Nursery education (below kindergarten) $24861 - $38576
- >First level education $24861 - $42924
- >Second level education (high school) $26150 - $57424
- >Assistent professor $26150 - $57424
- >Associate professor $50944 - $62489
- >Full professor $53588 - $100614
-
- Thank you for posting this, but cross-cultural comparisons are likely
- to be enormously complicated (see below). For what it's worth:...
-
- I'm not really sure what makes a good comparison population, but I can give you
- the 1st and 3rd quartile salaries of US Math faculty. This is the 1992 data
- for "Group II" departments (e.g. the top state university in many states):
- Assistant professor $37500 - $42500
- Associate professor $42500 - $47500
- Full professor $52500 - $72500
- Readers of the Notices of the Amer Math Soc will see I have had to fudge
- data a bit, but this should be in the spirit of things.
-
- I don't have, and would like to see, data for US teachers at other levels.
- I can promise you that the 1st and 3rd quartiles are very far apart. I know
- two high school math teachers within 30 miles of my home, both new to the
- job. One earns $18000, the other $40000 (more than our newly hired PhDs)
-
- >These numbers might look much higher than in the States but over in Europe
- >social security and income tax are way over what is normal in the States. But
- >that is of course completely indepemdent of the education profession. Over
- >here in Europe teaching is also an underpaid profession.
-
- (US Income taxes are low by EC standards; but remember medical care is not
- state funded here, and wise employees are funding their own retirement.
- My take-home pay is about 75% of my salary, after federal and state income
- taxes, social security, medical insurance, personal retirement and medical
- funds, and a few other minor deductions.)
-