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- From: paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik)
- Newsgroups: sci.logic,sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Lowneheim-Skolem theorem (was: Continuos vs. discrete models)
- Message-ID: <373@mtnmath.UUCP>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 16:38:49 GMT
- References: <1992Nov20.182803.14288@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <368@mtnmath.UUCP> <1992Nov22.230633.12855@galois.mit.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov22.230633.12855@galois.mit.edu>, jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
- > In article <1992Nov22.002703.5865@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
- > >In article <368@mtnmath.UUCP> paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik) writes:
- >
- > >>The discussion on L-S has apparently misled you. I believe that the
- > >>space-time manifold is discrete, i. e. not continuous. There are many
- > >>ways to discriminate between a continuous and discrete model and this
- > >>has nothing to do with countability.
- > >
- > >So why this raging debate about how many reals, then?
- >
- > Typically, issues which have no practical significance generate more
- > raging debates on sci.physics than those which do.
-
- The question of how many reals, is significant
- even though it does not have a direct effect on the
- mathematics that physicists use. The way mathematicians extend logic
- today is by postulating the existence of large cardinals.
- These abstractions are so far removed from the computational roots of
- mathematics that there is no intuitive basis for deciding between them.
- However these large cardinal axioms have combinatorial implications.
- For example they allow us to decide the halting problems for a wider
- class of Turing Machines. It is my contention that if one focused
- on understanding these combinatorial implications and forgot about the
- Platonic heaven of completed infinite totalities, real progress could
- be made in extending logic.
-
- Follow ups are directed to `sci.logic'.
-
- Paul Budnik
-