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- From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
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- Subject: Re: recursive definitions and paradoxes
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- Date: 23 Nov 92 15:54:54 GMT
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- In article <1emo86INN4de@roche.csl.sri.com>, rar@csl.sri.com (Bob Riemenschneider) writes:
- |> In article <By174J.JBM@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
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- |> In article <26841@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gudeman@cs.arizona.edu (David Gudeman) writes:
- |> |>
- |> |> Exactly. Actually, my notion of definition does not satisfy either of
- |> |> the two notions you mention. Recursive definitions are creative and
- |> |> non-eliminable, and for that reason they have to be protected with an
- |> |> axiom that limits their use. Non-creative, eliminable definitions are
- |> |> no more than abbreviations, and mathematics cannot be done with such a
- |> |> sparse notion of definition.
- |>
- |> I have a vague recollection of a result that any recursive definition
- |> is eliminable in favor of an explicit definition (Scott? Montague? A faulty
- |> memory?). ...
- |>
- |> Beth's theorem ("Padoa's method is general"), a more-or-less immediate
- |> consequence of the Craig interpolation lemma. (No doubt Mr. Gudeman
- |> will be unimpressed, however.)
- |>
- |> -- rar
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- Also, apparently the general technique of converting recursive definitons
- to explicit definitions is provided by Frege. There is an old paper
- of Quine's ("Tarski's Theory of Truth", reprinted in _Selected Logic
- Papers_) in which he demonstrates a theory containing a "recursive
- definition" that cannot be eliminated without rendering the theory
- inconsistent. However, since the extended theory contains the protosyntax
- of the base theory, it is not clear what can be made of this for
- claims about eliminability or uneliminability in general.
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