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- From: paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik)
- Newsgroups: sci.logic
- Subject: Re: Do completed infinite totalities exist? Was: Lowneheim-Skolem theorem
- Message-ID: <369@mtnmath.UUCP>
- Date: 21 Nov 92 16:49:29 GMT
- References: <1992Nov17.124233.24312@oracorp.com> <TORKEL.92Nov20160605@lludd.sics.se>
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- In article <TORKEL.92Nov20160605@lludd.sics.se>, torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
- > You don't have to accept anything. You are free to develop whatever
- > mathematics you like and put it forward for general consideration. What
- > I am objecting to is only the idea that e.g. the distinction between
- > countable and uncountable sets can be seen to be a "relative" one in
- > the light of results in logic.
-
- Everything in mathematics is "relative" to some formal system. To talk
- about what is absolutely true independent of a foral system is philosophy
- not mathematics. It is not something that can be derived from results
- in logic. Perhaps I do not understand what you mean by relative.
-
- It would be awkward, but not necessarily unreasonable, to define a formal
- system in which the reals are countable. One could add an axiom that allows
- one to see from within the system that all the reals namable in the language
- of the system are countable. This would have to be done with care so that
- one could not use this model of oneself to construct paradoxes, but I do
- not think there is any fundamental problem in doing this.
-
- Paul Budnik
-