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- From: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt)
- Subject: Re: recursive definitions and paradoxes
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.175227.13147@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
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- Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:52:27 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov20.155725.11719@guinness.idbsu.edu> holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) writes:
- >>Russell's paradox denies the existence of the paradoxical set of all
- >>sets. Denial of an existential is a universal, and the universal
- >>statement asserted by Russell's paradox is that every set has a
- >>nonmember. The universal set is "too big" by one element, having no
- >>nonmember. From that perspective size has everything to do with it.
- >>--
- >>Vaughan Pratt A fallacy is worth a thousand steps.
- >
- >This is inaccurate. Russell's paradox proves nothing except that
- >there is no set which has exactly the sets which are not elements of
- >themselves as members. If the Axiom of Separation is added to one's
- >theory, the paradox has the consequence indicated. In theories where
- >the Axiom of Separation does not hold (like NFU) the paradox has
- >different consequences.
-
- Good point, I hadn't spent long enough thinking about the meaning of
- David Gudeman's "What if you altered ZF to contain this axiom (and
- introduction of definitions)?" I guess this must entail dropping
- Separation, right?
- --
- Vaughan Pratt A fallacy is worth a thousand steps.
-