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- From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment
- Subject: Topsoil as a commodity
- Distribution: world
- Message-ID: <722404867snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au>
- References: <JMC.92Nov21112054@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 04:01:07 GMT
- Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents
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- In article <JMC.92Nov21112054@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
-
- > I am properly humbled. Gil Hardwick has properly thrown out all this
- > irrelevant stuff about land prices, amount of topsoil per acre and
- > trucking costs. He has properly ignored J. L. Hurst's observation about
- > deep loess in close proximity to land good only for pasture.
-
- Rightfully. Topsoil and therefore farm land is not valued against the
- costs of trucking it elsewhere, but on what crops it will produce in
- situ. Haven't we got that through to you yet?
-
- > He has gotten to the essence of a discussion appropriate to an
- > "International forum" - who is a good guy and who is a bad guy.
-
- I do confess to being slow to tune into Truth, Justice, and The
- American Way, but now that I have finally learned I can relax and
- proceed apace with the realisation that you are all satisfied that
- I know the rules.
-
- > He calls me a computer programmer. Programmers laugh when they hear
- > that. I'm a professor of ... .
-
- I do not give two hoots what you are a professor of; as I have stated
- previously I have no respect for whatever it is you represent here on
- the Internet. As you choose to use your position to promote your own
- eccentric political ideology, and to promote such economic absurdity
- as you do in all seriousness, you are no more than a buffoon.
-
- > Ah, but this is also not the way to proceed in an "International forum".
- > Defense is irrelevant! Attack is what counts!
-
- Ah, but in this respect I still learn, yes? I apologise that I am yet
- awkward and fumbling, but have no doubt I shall sharpen my wits further
- under your tutorage.
-
- > What is an "independent consulting ethnologist"? What does one do? I
- > can see Gil Hardwick shouting through his megaphone, "Ah, what I could
- > tell you blokes about those abos over there if there weren't children
- > on the bus."
-
- This particular independent consultant does indeed find himself having
- to shout through a megaphone, imported from the US especially for the
- occasion. If there are children on the bus, John, please do feel free
- to stand in front.
-
- > Not only a tour guide but a statist tour guide. When I say topsoil
- > should be considered a commodity and give computations about the
- > profitability of buying and selling it, he thinks I'm talking about a
- > Government program. He just wants a different Government program.
-
- I am sorry that I have missed whatever point you are trying to make
- here. My arguments against your plan have been plainly stated on the
- basis of your false assumptions about the value of topsoil. Where I
- advocate growing crops on it as a source of private income, you are
- advocating trucking it around the countryside as a source of private
- income.
-
- It is simply not relevant that your back-of-the-envelope arithmetic
- adds up, when its assumptions are patently ridiculous in any event.
- The question arises while you are working to implement your ridiculous
- strategy for improving agriculture, how other people are to be fed, to
- prosper, and make an income of their own? The same question indeed was
- asked of the Societ "leadership" from Stalin right though the post-
- Krushchev era. Whatever stupidity is exercised by Government or by
- private enterprise is never any less stupid.
-
- If you want to truck anything onto farms with poor soil, how about a
- little compost? And as mentioned previously some good farm management
- practice? While you do that the good rich topsoil further downhill you
- want to dig up and load onto trucks, might just as well have good rich
- crops grown on it instead, yes?
-
- --
- Gil Hardwick gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
- Independent Consulting Ethnologist 3:690/660.6
- PERTH, Western Australia (+61 9) 399 2401
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