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- From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
- Newsgroups: sci.energy
- Subject: Re: Greenpeace: Anti-US feelings
- Message-ID: <51535@seismo.CSS.GOV>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 17:29:37 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov22.031915.24427@hpcvca.cv.hp.com>, abrown@hpcvcec.cv.hp.com (Allen Brown) writes:
- > stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
- > > The whole point is that a lot of environmental extremists went to
- > > great lengths to exonerate communist states in the use of yellow
- > > rain, by coming up with the bee shit theory.
- > Accusations such as Yellow Rain must not be done lightly, especially
- > against a foreign country. It is only reasonable and prudent to
- > carefully investigate alternative explanations.
-
- Fine, but that does not explain environmental groups jumping on the bandwagon.
- I agree absolutely that a gov't ought to have fairly incontrovertible evidence
- (perhaps classified) before making such a accusation. But what does greenpeace
- have to gain by arguing the bee shit theory? Surely, yellow rain warfare
- is an environmental risk and greenpeace should persue the possibility or
- remain neutral, but not argue the other side.
-
- > Also consider what it means to be an extremist. All the word really
- > means is that your opinion is not close to the middle of the road at
-
- By extremist, I must admit that I was deliberately trying to isolate
- the defenders of Soviet chemical warfare from mainstream environmentalists
- (Which I consider myself one of).
-
- > > rain in the very circumstances attributed to bee shit. Few serious
- > > scientists ever completely accepted the bee shit argument due to the
- > > huge volumes of bee shit required in very short amounts of time.
- > Few serious scientists ever completely accepted the Yellow Rain theory
- > either. The proof just wasn't strong enough back then.
-
- There was debate, agreed. Most scientists just didn't want to get caught
- in the political game. Biologists I talked to at the time, even the
- fairly leftist ones privately ridiculed the bee shit theory, but it is
- true that most, if asked point blank what they thought was going on, would
- say they didn't know. Absolutely true, of course. With all the political
- manuevering surrounding the question, official scientific reports on both
- sides were somewhat suspect, and most biologists would not have had any
- close experience with the substance itself or those studying it.
-
- > > It turns out that now that the cold war has been won, files have
- > > been released by the former soviet union that support virtually
- > > every official accusation of atrocity by the US and agree in
- > > incredible detail.
- > I don't have access to these files. Do you?
-
- No, but it's been big news for the past few years. Sure, every news report we
- see where a box of documents gets turned over and both sides state what
- the documents say - those boxes could be full of blank paper, and this is
- all a big sham - like McCarthy's list of names. However, since both sides
- have said the contents reveal the same thing, I tend to believe that until
- proven otherwise. If I was really worried, I could always make an FOIA request.
-
-
- --
- Richard Stead
- Center for Seismic Studies
- Arlington, VA
- stead@seismo.css.gov
-