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- From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
- Newsgroups: sci.energy
- Subject: Re: Renewable Energy - solar
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.225357.16778@kestrel.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 22:53:57 GMT
- References: <1992Nov12.171616.3162@nic.csu.net> <51470@seismo.CSS.GOV> <1992Nov14.185409.17561@ke4zv.uucp>
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- In article <1992Nov14.185409.17561@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
- >In article <51470@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov12.171616.3162@nic.csu.net>, spang@calstatela.edu (Sue Pang 10-16-91) writes:
- >>> One form of renewable energy in the nonsolar category is
- >>> "Hydro energy", which is a form of energy using water power as a driving
- >>> force to turn the hydraulic turbine to create electricity. Its cycle
- >>> is very inefficient, because 50% of the input energy is lost in the
- >>
- >>I would point out that 50% recovery is generally not considered inefficient.
- >>Most power options operate at much less than 50% efficiency.
- >
- >I'd also point out that "hydro energy" *is* indirect solar energy. It's
- >the heat from the Sun that evaporates water forming clouds that then rain
- >or snow on uplands supplying the water at a higher gravitational potential
- >which then runs back to the sea through those nice dams. 50% conversion
- >efficiency *is* quite good, about 4 times better than solar cells, and
- >about twice as good as solar thermal.
- >
-
- Except that it's not 50% of the same thing.
-
- The 12% efficiency of the solar collectors is 12% of the energy of the sunlight
- falling on the collector.
-
- The 50% efficiency of the hydro plant is 50% of the energy represented by the
- water level difference of the two resivoirs, which is in turn a tiny percentage
- of the solar energy that illuminated the ocean to make the rain.
-
- -dk
-