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- From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
- Newsgroups: sci.econ
- Subject: Re: Taxes and stocks (mostly)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.105651.5681@desire.wright.edu>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 10:56:51 EST
- References: <1992Nov15.221525.5619@desire.wright.edu> <kbanaian.21.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>
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- In article <kbanaian.21.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>, kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
- > In article <dfoster-171192134212@mac125.ils.nwu.edu> dfoster@ils.nwu.edu (David Foster) writes:
- >
- >>You're leaving out the effects of the time value of money. In general,
- >>there
- >>is an incentive to defer payment of taxes as long as possible because an
- >>amount X today is worth more than the same amount X later (standard finance
- >>theory.)
- >>
- >>I constructed the following hypothetical example to illustrate. Suppose
- >>two
- >>people buy stock in the same company in 1976 for $1000, and the market
- >>price of
- >>that stock goes as follows:
- >>
- >>$1000 $2000 $2500
- >>1976 1986 1992
- >>
- >>The capital gains tax rate is 23% in 1985 and 35% thereafter. Investor A
- >>holds until 1992, while investor B sells and rebuys his stock on Dec 31,
- >>1985, and then sells in 1992. Assume for simplicity the required rate of
- >>return for these investors is 10%.
- >>
- >>In 1986, investor B pays $230 in tax while investor A pays none. In 1992
- >>investor A pays (.35 x $1500 =) $525 in taxes, while investor B pays
- >>(.35 x $500 =) $175 in taxes. Now consider, at the decision point in
- >>December
- >>1985, what the net present value of each tax payment stream is. For
- >>investor A,
- >>
- >>0 + -525 x (1 / 1.1 ^ 6) = -296
- >>
- >>For investor B,
- >>
- >>-230 x 1 + -175 x (1 / 1.1 ^ 6) = -329
- >>
- >>So, in NPV terms, the value of B's tax payments is greater than the value
- >>of A's tax payments. And this doesn't include the effect of additional
- >>commission costs for B, which would increase the difference. It's just
- >>a hypothetical example, but I think it's probably not atypical. (Check
- >>the math, I think its correct.)
- >>
- >>Maybe many investors don't understand the value of deferring tax payments,
- >>but their tax advisors certainly do.
- >
- > It's perhaps impertinent to add that this is a function of the six year
- > holding period you have imposed. Your example also implies that both
- > investors know the future price rise. Uncertainty plays a role here,
- > something about "one in the hand ...". I fear your calculation is indeed
- > atypical.
-
- Part of the assumption is that both think the stock will go up, and act
- on that belief, thus the hold for A and they buy-back for B.
- For that scenario it works.
-
- Brett
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