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- From: nfs@volkl (Norbert Schlenker)
- Subject: Re: Taxes and stocks (mostly)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.155751.20714@Princeton.EDU>
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:57:51 GMT
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- It's probably a mistake to get into the middle of this slugfest, but here
- goes anyway.
-
- In article <1992Nov17.171007.5661@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.202148.24943@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
- >> What kind of adverse price change is there going to be in a five-minute
- >> stretch?
- >
- > Differences in price can be quite large. You'd have to wait for
- >confirmation of the sell before you bought, at the least...
-
- Good grief. Nowadays, you get confirmation in 30 seconds. In 1985, you
- just got your broker to write a sell ticket and a buy ticket contingent
- on the execution of the sale. They would go to the floor trader together
- and he would execute them both. Even in 1985, a floor trader could be
- instructed to execute both tickets only at a sufficiently small spread
- (e.g. do the sell and the buy only if the breakage is no more than 1/4).
-
- > Sorry, but there are no losses. Someone does not knock on your door
- >and ask for money. Paper "losses" are only real if you actually sell at that
- >point. Most successful traders don't base their trades on paper.
-
- Successful traders base all their trades on paper. Successful TRADERS mark
- their holdings to market every day; every day you operate as if you bought
- at yesterday's close. Yesterday's profit or loss means nothing today.
-
- >It's even better when you realize that
- >Clinton will either index capital gains for inflation or cut the rate.
-
- Dream on.
-
- >Selling and buying back immediately simply locks in whatever profit
- >you have at that time.
-
- And it raises your cost base. It reduces future taxes at the cost of
- today's taxes. If you anticipate future taxes will be higher, then it
- may make sense to pay ahead.
-
- > Maybe. If Clinton lowers the rate, I win BIG.
-
- Still dreaming ...
-
- >> I'm sure there are a number of people in misc.invest who have the same
- >> fallacious reasoning as you do. That's how the rest of the world makes
- >> its money in the market.
- >
- > Heh. So your portfolio is up how much this year? Mines up 40% so far.
-
- Don't start with numbers. If numbers are the only guide to the truth,
- what are you going to do when I say that I agree with Ted Frank and I
- beat your 40% going away? Does that make Ted Frank right?
-
- Norbert
- nfs@cs.princeton.edu
-