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- From: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt,alt.privacy,comp.org.eff.talk
- Subject: Re: A Silver Bullet to Limit Crypto?
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 13:35:14 EST(-0500)
- Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
- Message-ID: <01010064.j7qsip@titipu.resun.com>
- Reply-To: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
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- cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes:
- > Old LE tools should map into the new space (with new connectivity,
- > as if space warps had been invented). If you disagree, please cite
- > some such tools and show how they are defeated.
-
- Suppose I turn it around. Cite me an old LE tool that maps, with new
- connectivity, into the new space.
-
- Uri Blumenthal cited a variety of techniques. However, they fall into two
- categories: 1) unaffected by electronic communication (eg blooded knives), and
- 2) electronic but still applicable (eg planted microphones).
-
- David Burns similarly cited some tools in the second category.
-
- Jerry Leichter discussed differences in LE between 150 years ago and today,
- claiming in particular that criminal investigation is basically a twentieth
- century phenomenon with little corollary in the pre-electronic world. He also
- points out that crimes themselves have changed: to extend his statements a bit,
- the existence of electronic communication has led to crimes which could not be
- committed, possibly not even contemplated, without electronic communication.
-
- The latter views are much closer to my own. It's not just the physical world
- which has changed. Attitudes, entire philosophies, change in ways which are
- far more difficult to track than are physical changes. Old attitudes and
- philosophies are far more difficult to understand than are old physical
- conditions.
-
- Carl also says
-
- there was a time when criminals were free to have private
- conversations and know that the conversation[s were] private
-
- That is undeniably true in the physical sense. But did anyone actually think
- in such terms? More importantly, are we capable of expunging this concept, and
- similar ones, from our vocabulary so that we can "go back to doing what we did
- before"? Is it even meaningful to talk about "going back" unless we roll back
- our attitudes and philosophies?
-
- Edward Reid (8*}>
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