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- From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt
- Subject: Re: PGP and real criminals
- Message-ID: <895422983DN5.61R@tanda.isis.org>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:07:53 EST
- References: <1992Nov17.001101.21926@ncar.ucar.edu>
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- Organization: Thibault & Friends
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- In article <1992Nov17.001101.21926@ncar.ucar.edu>
- (Philip Zimmermann) writes:
- ....
- > Let me give you all some background context. This started last week,
- > when I was contacted by a police detective from California who wanted
-
- Having been well and truly hooked, it's comforting to know
- that the bait was supplied by someone with Philip's
- credentials. Could we restate the problem without the red
- herring? Let me try.
-
- It is normal and expected to find the forces and friends of law
- enforcement (LE) working to have their convenience, power, or
- budgets enhanced with the help of legislation. If possible,
- this is done surreptitiously. If not, public support is sought
- by appealing to a perceived greater public good and/or a need for
- special powers to overcome a "really bad situation". We know
- from past experience that constitutions, civil rights, etc. tend
- to vaporise or get re-interpreted under this kind of attack.
-
- It is possible (likely?) that LE will seek to limit the
- general use of cryptography to make it easier (a) to identify
- suspicious persons and activities, and (b) to find and use
- evidence that would otherwise remain hidden. In the process,
- to enlist public support, LE will seek out cases of
- particularly distasteful criminal activity and attempt to link
- that activity to the use of cryptography ("Crypto Madness" at
- a theatre near you).
-
- 1. Is there a reasoned argument, that any newspaper will
- print, that simply and clearly disarms this kind of
- propoganda?
-
- 2. Is there a stronger emotional argument supporting the
- widespread use of cryptography. I'm reminded of the boost
- BBS'ers got from the news of the role BBS' played in the
- conversion of eastern Europe.
-
- 3. Is there a positive, not-so-emotional, argument for actual
- benefits, economic, social, or other?
-
- More germane to this group:
-
- 4. Are there ways that such legislation, if passed, could be
- sytematically and safely "avoided"?
-
- 5. What are the possible shapes of such legislation? Dorothy's
- "Balloons" are two possibilities. The range would seem
- to go from "full spectrum mindless" like the WoD, to
- tightly defined, like most gun laws. What cryptographic
- countermeasures would be required to deal with each
- scenario?
-
- 6. If this situation is more likely than not, shouldn't we
- stop playing around with big numbers and start developing
- really effective steganography?
-
- Cheers,
- Marc
-
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