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- From: butzerd@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer)
- Subject: One more idea about a challeng...
- Message-ID: <1992Nov15.191505.6252@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>
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- Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:15:05 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov13.201714.12099@rchland.ibm.com> you write:
- >>In article <1992Nov13.173934.2127@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, Dane C Butzer
-
- > < more stuff deleted >
- >
- >There's nothing at all legally, morally, or ethically wrong with what you
- >propose. But, I doubt if you get any takers.
- >
-
- Actually, I've had a few positive responses via e-mail :-)
-
- >First, see if you can get a minute or two from a lawyer friend. I believe
- >if you mail it to a few folks, that does not constitute "publishing"
- >(as I recall, you can reveal patentable ideas for just the purposes we are
- >here discussing -- they key is whether it is "generally available" and
- >publishing on Internet probably constitutes "generally available" but a
- >few stray letters to competent collegues is probably not, but I am not a
- >patent laywer). See if your lawyer friend will back that statement.
-
- Very good points. Actually, if this is true, then I will nix the
- non-disclosure thing. I'll just request people to e-mail/snail me
- their address, & I'll mail the source code back.
-
- >
- >Given that, the only reason to bother with a non-disclosure agreement is to
- >keep the likes from me from stealing your idea if it is any good.
- >
-
- Actually, between copyrighting and having filed a patent disclosure
- document, I'd not be worried about that :-). What I was trying to
- do was find a way to disclose the source code w/out "publishing".
- From what you said, just mailing individually might do that -
- problem solved (hopefully).
-
- >But, have a REAL GOOD non-disclosure agreement vetted by a good lawyer
- >(ie, pay money) and be prepared for a poor turnout. I am not keen on
- >signing away any rights when I am evaluating something for free. Also keep
-
- I can understand & respect this. However, it may not be "for
- free". There's the little matter of the (modest) cash incentive to
- break it (probably about $500). :-)
-
- >in mind that some of us will be unable to sign even if we want to because
-
- Forgot about that. This might kill the non-disclosure thing.
-
- >of what our companies have made us sign already. That specifically includes
- >me, even though IBM does not pay me, per se, to do crypto. You are clearly
- >on or over the border where you should think in terms of saving your nickels
- >to hire a crypto consultant.
-
- Afraid I don't understand what you mean by "on or over the boarder"...
- Do you mean "over the edge?" :->
-
- >But, there's another way; much cheaper.
- >
- > <Suggested reading; Advise to try to break it myself>
- >
- >
- >Besides, if you really, really think it might be commercially viable, don't
- >you owe your future customers your own, best personal "shot" at whether it
- >really works or not? Were I in your or your friend's shoes, I don't see how
- >I could ethically maintain my relative ignorance on a topic I was about to
- >pursue commercially. But, maybe I missed something.
- >
-
- Three points:
-
- 1) I think you have my posts confused with another, similar thread
- posted by Eric (forget his last name) about a friend's crypto
- scheme.
-
- 2) You're right - I do owe my (hopefully) future customers
- my own, best personal shot. However, I've done this (and continue
- to do so). I realize, however, that somebody else might be able to
- see something I'm missing - especially people with more experience
- in the field.
-
- 3) I have tried my hand at decryption. I've learned alot from it -
- that I've applied to Rcrypt. Also, though I'm not a certified
- "expert", I don't think I'm ignorant in the field any more. I'm
- posting questions, however, because I know I still have a lot to
- learn, and this seems to be a wonderful forum to find help/info.
-
-
- As usual, thanks for the response,
-
- Dane Butzer
- butzerd@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu
-