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- From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
- Subject: Re: A new encryption problem?
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- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:00:16 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov15.065531.2823@cactus.org> ritter@cactus.org (Terry Ritter) writes:
- > As a simple engineer, one way I would imagine that this could be
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- Have some self respect for crying out loud. As an engineer you
- are BETTER equipped to think about cryptography than almost
- all of the technology-ignorant lawmakers. The vaste majority of
- political leaders we have make fools out of themselves by making
- laws about things they can't begin to understand. It would be
- comical if it were not so dangerous to the nation.
-
- > The government would probably be lots slicker than this in real
- > life, but this scenario serves as a warning of what could happen
- > to cryptography.
- Where do you get this idea that our current government is clever?
- Is it the clever way they have solved the "drug problem"? Perhaps
- the slick way they have solved the crime rate? Or maybe the incredibly
- clever way they have made the economy florish? ;-)
- The simple fact is that our government is just as powerless against
- the changes going on here as the Soviet government was there.
- We have old cold-warriors in charge and they don't seem to know
- any new tricks for the post cold war world. The whole situations is
- spinning out of control for them and they don't know why the old
- behavior patterns don't work. (e.g. Got a problem? Make a law against
- it--that'll work.)
-
- >The government will first try for *far* more stringent legislation.
- >*That* is what we need to defeat.
- On the contrary. The more absurd and unenforceable the better.
- Don't take aspirin for a brain tumor. Excise it.
-
- > Now, the first thing we need to do to prevent this is to see how
- > good the arguments on the other side really are. This apparently
- > requires a degree of openness which many find difficult to accept.
- The other side you refer to is the national security state.
- It must be dismantled, piece by piece if we are to live free
- in this country. It is time we stopped feeding the monster
- that will devour us. The national security apparatus has a
- huge black budget and a large payroll with no KGB to fight.
- Who do you think they're going to turn on now? US that WHO!
- We the people of the United States. If we don't do everything
- in our power to defend freedom in this country we don't deserve
- it. Knuckling under to domestic enemies is no more honorable
- than backing down before foreign enemies. People who refuse
- to admit that we have a serious post-coldwar problem with the
- dogs of war are part of the problem. We must educate ourselves
- to the danger. Our freedom is at stake now more than it has been
- in 200 years.
-
- > Then, once we have the good arguments, and the analysis used in
- > picking those arguments, we may decide that completely unrestricted
- > use of cryptography really is *not* in the interests of society.
- Don't you realize that what you are saying is no less heinous than
- "we may decide that freedom of thought is not in the interests
- of society"? Restricting cryptography is equivalent to makeing
- certain mathematical transformations of data illegal.
- First, the war on drugs to limit what someone can do with THEIR
- OWN mind and then the war on cryptography to limit what you
- can do with numbers in a file. Yeah, we've got to protect society
- from those dangerous people that perform unnatural acts with
- binary numbers. ;-)
-
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- > There is not much magic here, but this simple process, the normal
- > way one might go at finding the truth amidst two polarized sides,
- > somehow seems to be taken as a radical agenda. Is the possibility
- > of finding or revealing an unpleasant truth really that scary? Or
- > does nobody even care?
- Nobody is afraid of the truth here. Some people do seem afraid
- of the government though. ;-)
-
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