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- From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
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- Subject: Re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym
- Message-ID: <RJC.92Nov23111346@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 11:13:46 GMT
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- In-reply-to: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu's message of 20 Nov 92 16:11:21 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov20.111124.17630@husc3.harvard.edu>, Michael Zeleny (mz) writes:
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- mz> I see no reason to suppose that the salient contextual features are
- mz> unique and irreproducible, in the sense you seem to suggest.
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- One of them is the person hearing/reading the phrase. You can't rewind
- people to an earlier state and giving them two phrases at once is
- pointless unless you are one of the more sadistic variety of
- psycho-linguist :-).
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- There, I suspect, is the core of the difference between you and, so
- far as I can see, everyone else on this thread. You seem to want to
- divorce `language' from its human context. If you do that hard enough,
- then indeed you _do_ get a formal language, however you also end up
- with something which is of no interest to anyone except formal
- language theorists, since you have no way of showing that any facts
- you might determine about your formalised language have any relevance
- to real language as she is spoke. You're just repeating all of the
- mistakes of the people who tried to deduce rules for English from an
- idealised Latin grammar, you haven't shown that you have a meaningful
- inverse transformation.
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