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From: [e-mail] (Randall Holmes)
Subject: Re: Folk Theories of Meaning (was re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul Collacchi) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] (Steve Brewer) writes:
>|> In article <[e-mail]>
>|> [e-mail] (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>|> >
>|> >If you don't feel that being bound by
>|> >logic is a *moral* obligation, would you still have any basis for a
>|> >reasonable expectation that your tooting your car's horn at a bunch of
>|> >Samoan Hell's Angels does not *mean* your informed consent for them to
>|> >peel off your skin and rip out your heart?  Do you have a glimmer of
>|> >understanding that your human rights are not worth the market value of
>|> >the chemicals that comprise your anatomy, *if* there be no such things
>|> >as matters of fact about meaning?
>|>
>
>Our lives are not worth the market value of the chemicals which comprise
>our anatomy.  Life is snuffed out constantly, without sentiment and for
>no reason.  Each of us will go this way.  The issue, as I see it, is not
>to go about letting our stupid, little logical egos tell us how
>important we are, but to *get* how absolutely unimportant we are,

to the Whole, sure

 and in
>so doing, come to cherish each breath that continues us,

i.e., realize how important it is? (to ourselves?)

 for none are
>guaranteed and our continued existence is largely beyond our control,
>and mighty logic is utterly powerless to change that.

The life expectancy of the beneficiaries of logic (who are not
necessarily the ones who work at it) is longer.

>
>|> It seems to me that this statement mixes several immiscible issues.
>|> Let us remember that human rights are based on a *committment* to
>|> logic.  We shouldn't believe that logic is fundamentally 'right' or
>|> something.  Most evidence I've seen indicates that very few people
>|> use logic or fundamentally rational thinking for most decision-making.
>|>
>
>Quite right.  I might point out that human rights are base on a
>comittment to human beings -- not to logic -- the underlying motivation
>for which is quite illogical.

One's commitment to oneself is quite logical, and can be extended to
those who benefit one.

  The system of arbitration by which the
>rights are adjudicated is "somewhat" reasonable.
>
>Reason can never tell you what is right or important, and there is no
>such thing as a rational decision or rational behavior,

This is a remarkable assertion.

 since these must
>accept as a premise that a particular outcome or particular constraint
>is 'good' or 'important' and this can never be 'proved.'

Have you ever heard of an axiom?  (This is not a reference to Randism,
by the way).

  I am far more
>prone to use 'intuition' or 'intelligence' than logic which is
>frequently worthless.

Please explain the exact difference between intelligence and logic =
reason.


>
>Logic and reason are fine.  No need to start deifying them.

How on earth could we deify Logic?  Investigation reveals that His
existence is prior to ours...

:-)

>
>Paul Collacchi



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